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Hi experts, recently I installed and run Firefox Quantum 65.02 64 Bit Edition. I was very pleased with all. I am writing this request since I truly want Firefox Quantum be the best ever. I found some bugs but I will start with the most important request : the Bookmarks need your help. The Bookmarks are set in a JSON format file and Import can lead to an XML format file. The bug is that you cannot restructure or rename many bookmarks (Favorites) in Explorer mode as I can do with IE.v11. As example : with the Favorites folder of IEv11, I can Manage or Rename many .URLs simultaneously. So we need the Firefox Quantum developers to have a JSON to URL converter tool so that we can manage the many Firefox Q bookmarks in Explorer simultaneously. It will be a kind of Bookmarks Folder in Explorer ... That will be great. Then Firefox Quantum will make then background URL to JSON conversion so that it will update all the Bookmarks in Firefox Quantum ... I hope that you can convey this IMPORTANT Feature directly to the Developer Group concerned by Bookmarks. 2019 0310 1732.

Hi experts, recently I installed and run Firefox Quantum 65.02 64 Bit Edition. I was very pleased with all. I am writing this request since I truly want Firefox Quantum be the best ever. I found some bugs but I will start with the most important request : the Bookmarks need your help. The Bookmarks are set in a JSON format file and Import can lead to an XML format file. The bug is that you cannot restructure or rename many bookmarks (Favorites) in Explorer mode as I can do with IE.v11. As example : with the Favorites folder of IEv11, I can Manage or Rename many .URLs simultaneously. So we need the Firefox Quantum developers to have a JSON to URL converter tool so that we can manage the many Firefox Q bookmarks in Explorer simultaneously. It will be a kind of Bookmarks Folder in Explorer ... That will be great. Then Firefox Quantum will make then background URL to JSON conversion so that it will update all the Bookmarks in Firefox Quantum ... I hope that you can convey this IMPORTANT Feature directly to the Developer Group concerned by Bookmarks. 2019 0310 1732.

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I appreciated your positive attitude since you gave me the links in order to reach the developers and more. Meanwhile, as brand new user, I started to read the Firefox Help book and found the needed link in the Help Menu Submit Feedback which is appropriated for many of my needs.

You have a good knowledge about Mozilla products and I learned your Mozilla Support Structure. Already , I worked with developers for years .. in R&D department (Hardware/'Software); so I feel positive about my upcoming requests or bug reports.

I do underline that I did not waste my time to figure out how much room my 835 URLs needed : I just get it in few seconds via Properties of my Favorites folder. I just wanted to give you a picture of it. True since I use a 2TB Firecuda drive and Quad Core Intel processor : so data volume is not an issue .

You can closed this case since I do not need additional data. 2019 0315 18h55.

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the-edmeister
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We deal with Firefox as it is made, not how anyone thinks is should be.

Suggestions for changes can be submitted here on the Feedback page: https://qsurvey.mozilla.com/s3/FirefoxInput/

We deal with Firefox as it is made, not how anyone thinks is should be. Suggestions for changes can be submitted here on the Feedback page: https://qsurvey.mozilla.com/s3/FirefoxInput/
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If you think you found a bug, give us the details so we can see if it is known or not.

If you think you found a bug, give us the details so we can see if it is known or not.
the-edmeister
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Personal observation as follows.

IE is dead, no point in wishing for Mozilla Firefox to fo things like IE. The manner in which IE stored URL Favorites in Windows was a waste of hard drive space, IMO. "We" lived thru a major change in how Firefox stores bookmarks back in 2008 when Firefox 3 was released. Mozilla changed to the SQLite format for bookmarks storage, from the Bookmarks.HTML format that was originally created by Netscape. That change was difficult for many of us when it happened, but in the long run it was just a matter of learning the new SQLite system.

And the old bookmarks.html format is the universal interchange format for importing and exporting bookmarks between the various web browsers out there. I have never seen a web browser that didn't have the import / export feature via bookmarks.html format. Platform independent without reliance on Windows-concentric code; works on all operating systems.

Personal observation as follows. IE is dead, no point in wishing for Mozilla Firefox to fo things like IE. The manner in which IE stored URL Favorites in Windows was a waste of hard drive space, IMO. "We" lived thru a major change in how Firefox stores bookmarks back in 2008 when Firefox 3 was released. Mozilla changed to the SQLite format for bookmarks storage, from the Bookmarks.HTML format that was originally created by Netscape. That change was difficult for many of us when it happened, but in the long run it was just a matter of learning the new SQLite system. And the old bookmarks.html format is the universal interchange format for importing and exporting bookmarks between the various web browsers out there. I have never seen a web browser that didn't have the import / export feature via bookmarks.html format. Platform independent without reliance on Windows-concentric code; works on all operating systems.

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I think that you don't get it ... my request is an improvement.. just convey it to Developer Group ... Let them be in touch with me ... Having this great JSON to URL to JSON feature in background is a great tool and it is improvement . It is speeding up the Bookmarks/Favorites functionality. My request did not change how the user is running Firefox Quantum since this improvement works transparently in the background... We do consider that many are using IE v 11 for years so we got many Favorites so Flexibility becomes important. 2019 0310 18h23

I think that you don't get it ... my request is an improvement.. just convey it to Developer Group ... Let them be in touch with me ... Having this great JSON to URL to JSON feature in background is a great tool and it is improvement . It is speeding up the Bookmarks/Favorites functionality. My request did not change how the user is running Firefox Quantum since this improvement works transparently in the background... We do consider that many are using IE v 11 for years so we got many Favorites so Flexibility becomes important. 2019 0310 18h23

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Well , I understand your concern. But Favorites is not taking so much room I got 7.3 MB for 835 URLs and Folders. Where Bookmarks is not efficient is if you need to Restructure or Rename ... you have to run it one by one.... This is why I send my Improvement Request nothing Negative about it. This is where the JSON fall short in efficiency. So it is not a battle between you and me ... It is just to use wisely JSON Converter to URL and back to JSON in background. Then required data size on the hard drive will be very small. I found some bugs in others field and I will post its later since I will run some screenshots. 2019 0310 18h30.

Well , I understand your concern. But Favorites is not taking so much room I got 7.3 MB for 835 URLs and Folders. Where Bookmarks is not efficient is if you need to Restructure or Rename ... you have to run it one by one.... This is why I send my Improvement Request nothing Negative about it. This is where the JSON fall short in efficiency. So it''' is not a battle between you and me .'''.. It is just to use wisely JSON Converter to URL and back to JSON in background. Then required data size on the hard drive will be very small. I found some bugs in others field and I will post its later since I will run some screenshots. 2019 0310 18h30.
the-edmeister
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I mentioned that Firefox bookmarks are stored in sqlite format, specifically the places.sqlite file in the Profile folder. That is the file which would need to be "edited to batch change" the names of bookmarks.

As far as a JSON to URL to JSON converter tool goes, the JSON format isn't used for storing bookmarks, it is used to store the automatic bookmarkbackup files that Firefox creates daily. Plus there is a jsonlz4 compression format that kicks in when the user hasn't changed their collection of bookmarks, which further complicates what you are asking about. I have seen an online tool to decompress the jsonlz4 format and provide an output that is usable in Firefox in one manner or another, so that may not be a big issue - but nevertheless that is something that needs consideration for your idea.

Not to "rain on your parade" but the bottom line is that I seriously doubt that the Mozilla developers would consider providing support for a feature such as URL to anything that would support a basically dead web browser like IE. But I did offer the suggestion to provide Feedback to Mozilla directly.

I mentioned that Firefox bookmarks are stored in sqlite format, specifically the '''places.sqlite''' file in the Profile folder. That is the file which would need to be "edited to batch change" the names of bookmarks. As far as a '''JSON to URL to JSON converter''' tool goes, the JSON format isn't used for storing bookmarks, it is used to store the automatic bookmarkbackup files that Firefox creates daily. Plus there is a '''jsonlz4''' compression format that kicks in when the user hasn't changed their collection of bookmarks, which further complicates what you are asking about. I have seen an online tool to decompress the jsonlz4 format and provide an output that is usable in Firefox in one manner or another, so that may not be a big issue - but nevertheless that is something that needs consideration for your idea. Not to "rain on your parade" but the bottom line is that I seriously doubt that the Mozilla developers would consider providing support for a feature such as '''URL to ''anything''''' that would support a basically dead web browser like IE. But I did offer the suggestion to provide Feedback to Mozilla directly.
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R_Reyob said

The bug is that you cannot restructure or rename many bookmarks (Favorites) in Explorer mode as I can do with IE.v11. As example : with the Favorites folder of IEv11, I can Manage or Rename many .URLs simultaneously.

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Where Bookmarks is not efficient is if you need to Restructure or Rename ... you have to run it one by one....

What are you doing in Internet Explorer to rename more than one favorite at a time?

Is it significantly different from using the Library window in Firefox (Ctrl+Shift+b or "Show All Bookmarks")?

''R_Reyob [[#question-1252727|said]]'' <blockquote> The bug is that you cannot restructure or rename many bookmarks (Favorites) in Explorer mode as I can do with IE.v11. As example : with the Favorites folder of IEv11, I can Manage or Rename many .URLs simultaneously. </blockquote> ''R_Reyob [[#answer-1204050|said]]'' <blockquote> Where Bookmarks is not efficient is if you need to Restructure or Rename ... you have to run it one by one.... </blockquote> What are you doing in Internet Explorer to rename more than one favorite at a time? Is it significantly different from using the Library window in Firefox (Ctrl+Shift+b or "Show All Bookmarks")?

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Hi jscher2000 , I am still preparing a file containing snapshots and text so that I reduce the number of posts. I am very pleased with Firefox Quantum and my goal is to improve the Bookmarks functionality or features.

The strength of URLs is that you can manage its directly from the folder Favorites in Win 10 Explorer. So doing, you can Restructure , Sort and Rename as many URLs in no time. So, this will be great that Firefox Quantum has the similar Folder so that you can achieve such work in Win Explorer Then the Firefox Quantum (background converter) will convert t hen new URLs back in Bookmarks structure.

By now, no browser will allow you to deal with many Bookmarks (or Favorites) in no time.

The developers are very smart and I am doing as fast as I can to build and send my file about this issue. R.B. QC Canada 2019 0313 13h42

Hi jscher2000 , I am still preparing a file containing snapshots and text so that I reduce the number of posts. I am very pleased with Firefox Quantum and my goal is to improve the Bookmarks functionality or features. The strength of URLs is that you can manage its directly from the folder Favorites in Win 10 Explorer. So doing, you can Restructure , Sort and Rename as many URLs in no time. So, this will be great that Firefox Quantum has the similar Folder so that you can achieve such work in Win Explorer Then the Firefox Quantum (background converter) will convert t hen new URLs back in Bookmarks structure. By now, no browser will allow you to deal with many Bookmarks (or Favorites) in no time. The developers are very smart and I am doing as fast as I can to build and send my file about this issue. R.B. QC Canada 2019 0313 13h42
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You're wasting your time with snapshots and text posted here trying to convince any of us here who do the Firefox Support. Mozilla developers rarely grace us with their presence here, and they are unlikely to even see your proposal.

I already gave you the link to provide Feedback directly to Mozilla. Plus you can file a Bugzilla report for the developers to see without your ideas being filtered by the Mozilla staff as would happen with Feedback submissions. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/ https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Bug_writing_guidelines

Or you could try creating a WebExtension to do what you are requesting. Many of the "new" features that have been added to Firefox over the last 17 years started out as a extension; and some of the current developers have been hired by Mozilla to initially build their extension into Firefox and then move on to other development areas for improving Firefox. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Add-ons/WebExtensions


As far as your statement - Favorites is not taking so much room I got 7.3 MB for 835 URLs and Folders.

I have never spent any time trying to figure out how much room that 835 URLs would be in the places.sqlite file in modern versions of Firefox (3.0 and later), but from the days where I "messed with" the bookmarks.html format extensively I would estimate that 835 URL (and their Favicons) would take like only 1 MB of hard drive space. Like 1/7 of what Favorites uses in Windows. Of course back in those days the difference was big deal, when a 150MB hard drive was about the largest that people would have.

Plus, you need to consider that Firefox is built to run on more than the Windows operating system. Whatever time Mozilla spends on a Windows-only project is wasted time when Linux, Mac OSX, and the slew of "mobile device" are taken into consideration.

You're wasting your time with snapshots and text posted here trying to convince any of us here who do the Firefox Support. Mozilla developers rarely grace us with their presence here, and they are unlikely to even see your proposal. I already gave you the link to provide Feedback directly to Mozilla. Plus you can file a Bugzilla report for the developers to see without your ideas being filtered by the Mozilla staff as would happen with Feedback submissions. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/ https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Bug_writing_guidelines Or you could try creating a WebExtension to do what you are requesting. Many of the "new" features that have been added to Firefox over the last 17 years started out as a extension; and some of the current developers have been hired by Mozilla to initially build their extension into Firefox and then move on to other development areas for improving Firefox. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Add-ons/WebExtensions ------------ As far as your statement - '''Favorites is not taking so much room I got 7.3 MB for 835 URLs and Folders'''. I have never spent any time trying to figure out how much room that 835 URLs would be in the places.sqlite file in modern versions of Firefox (3.0 and later), but from the days where I "messed with" the bookmarks.html format extensively I would estimate that 835 URL (and their Favicons) would take like only 1 MB of hard drive space. Like 1/7 of what Favorites uses in Windows. Of course back in those days the difference was big deal, when a 150MB hard drive was about the largest that people would have. Plus, you need to consider that Firefox is built to run on more than the Windows operating system. Whatever time Mozilla spends on a Windows-only project is wasted time when Linux, Mac OSX, and the slew of "mobile device" are taken into consideration.

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I appreciated your positive attitude since you gave me the links in order to reach the developers and more. Meanwhile, as brand new user, I started to read the Firefox Help book and found the needed link in the Help Menu Submit Feedback which is appropriated for many of my needs.

You have a good knowledge about Mozilla products and I learned your Mozilla Support Structure. Already , I worked with developers for years .. in R&D department (Hardware/'Software); so I feel positive about my upcoming requests or bug reports.

I do underline that I did not waste my time to figure out how much room my 835 URLs needed : I just get it in few seconds via Properties of my Favorites folder. I just wanted to give you a picture of it. True since I use a 2TB Firecuda drive and Quad Core Intel processor : so data volume is not an issue .

You can closed this case since I do not need additional data. 2019 0315 18h55.

I appreciated your positive attitude since you gave me the links in order to reach the developers and more. Meanwhile, as brand new user, I started to read the Firefox Help book and found the needed link in the Help Menu Submit Feedback which is appropriated for many of my needs. You have a good knowledge about Mozilla products and I learned your Mozilla Support Structure. Already , I worked with developers for years .. in R&D department (Hardware/'Software); so I feel positive about my upcoming requests or bug reports. I do underline that I did not waste my time to figure out how much room my 835 URLs needed : I just get it in few seconds via Properties of my Favorites folder. I just wanted to give you a picture of it. True since I use a 2TB Firecuda drive and Quad Core Intel processor : so data volume is not an issue . You can closed this case since I do not need additional data. 2019 0315 18h55.