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This issue is pissing me off no end! See the multiple threads on it, below:

When opening a second window, Firefox switches me back to the first one and it's driving me crazy. Why is this happening? http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/960843 (5/31/13)
When opening a second window, Firefox switches me back to the first one and it's driving me crazy. Why is this happening?  http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/938033 (9/26/12)
Firefox Opening new windows reverts to original Window    http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/936004
Opening New Windows and Shockwave Flash http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/955659
 added thread titles ~J99 

Please don't tell me the bug is "impossible to fix" and pass the buck to Adobe. I engineer software myself and such a reply is far from acceptable. Sure, I've no doubt Adobe is culpable too, but I don't have time to write everyone an e-mail, especially if they couldn't give a damn.

This issue is pissing me off no end! See the multiple threads on it, below: When opening a second window, Firefox switches me back to the first one and it's driving me crazy. Why is this happening? http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/960843 (5/31/13) When opening a second window, Firefox switches me back to the first one and it's driving me crazy. Why is this happening? http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/938033 (9/26/12) Firefox Opening new windows reverts to original Window http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/936004 Opening New Windows and Shockwave Flash http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/955659 <sub> added thread titles ~J99 </sub> Please don't tell me the bug is "impossible to fix" and pass the buck to Adobe. I engineer software myself and such a reply is far from acceptable. Sure, I've no doubt Adobe is culpable too, but I don't have time to write everyone an e-mail, especially if they couldn't give a damn.

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I've settled on leaving Flash disabled in Firefox. I'm using Internet Explorer when I need to view Flash websites.

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jscher2000
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Mozilla's direction is to create a replacement for the Flash player plugin. See: http://mozilla.github.io/shumway/

Yes, that's orthogonal to your question, but I have nothing else new to say about this problem that you don't already know from your own research.

Mozilla's direction is to create a replacement for the Flash player plugin. See: http://mozilla.github.io/shumway/ Yes, that's orthogonal to your question, but I have nothing else new to say about this problem that you don't already know from your own research.

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Wow, it is annoying; having it happen to me numerous times a day. As much as I love Firefox I'm considering ditching it for another browser.

Wow, it is annoying; having it happen to me numerous times a day. As much as I love Firefox I'm considering ditching it for another browser.
jscher2000
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Your choice. You can disable the protected mode feature, use the workaround of always having Flash open in at least one tab, or switch browsers.

Your choice. You can disable the protected mode feature, use the workaround of always having Flash open in at least one tab, or switch browsers.
ololo123 2 solutions 30 answers

oh, thats nice, you are proposing disable modern security features to make web browser just work.

let me quote http://blogs.adobe.com/asset/2012/06/inside-flash-player-protected-mode-for-firefox.html http://blogs.adobe.com/asset/2010/10/inside-adobe-reader-protected-mode-%E2%80%93-part-2-%E2%80%93-the-sandbox-process.html

"This architecture ensures that the sandboxed process cannot directly access most parts of the operating system without that access first being verified by the broker. Overall, the Flash Player sandbox process has been a journey of incremental improvements with each step bringing end-users a more secure environment."


maybe developers just dont understand how security works? it is very likely due to wrong permissions set on files after download: http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=2773631 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=953317 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=951028

how can one broke that is unbelievable


and i can point to somewhat related plugin problem https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78414 long distance call from 2001

may be mozilla should not lie to long-time users? read discussions in:
https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2012/10/05/prompting-our-users-to-update-their-plugins/comment-page-2/#comment-162061
TLS 1.2 support ! 
 https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/959936
Bug 755593 - Remove tabs-on-bottom mode  (fixed)
 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=755593
Bug 812695 - [Read comment #414] [D2D] Text Rendering Issues on Windows 7 with Platform Update KB2670838 (MSIE 10 Prerequisite) or on Windows 8.1 
 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=812695
Bug 914690 - In Firefox 24 and following, mark all versions of Java as unsafe  (blocks reverted)
 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=914690
Bug 940078 - Reload/stop button can't be moved in customization mode anymore (Wontfix)
 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=940078
Bug 755598 - Merge back/forward, URL bar, reload/stop/go into one toolbar item  (Fixed)
 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=755598
Bug 749804 - Remove add-on bar and move content in navigation bar (Fixed)
 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=749804
http://www.ghacks.net/2013/04/18/firefoxs-australis-theme-may-have-disastrous-consquences-for-users-who-customize-the-browser/
http://www.ghacks.net/2013/10/07/mozilla-launches-get-australis-invites-everyone-install-latest-firefox-australis-version/
http://www.ghacks.net/2013/11/18/happening-firefox-interface-redesign-landing-nightly-channel/
 edit added thread & bug titles ~J99

and honestly say that they will degrade and dumb down firefox http://pop.dedoimedo.com/computers/firefox-suckfest.html http://www.andyhalford.com/

"Unfortunately I do not have the time or the motivation to continue to support these in light of the organisation that Mozilla has become. Apparently spending 1000's of hours promoting their products and providing add-ons to fill the gaps in their product and repair bookmarks destroyed by Firefox Sync, counts for little and does not deserve any flexibility or support from them. "

oh, thats nice, you are proposing disable modern security features to make web browser just work. let me quote http://blogs.adobe.com/asset/2012/06/inside-flash-player-protected-mode-for-firefox.html http://blogs.adobe.com/asset/2010/10/inside-adobe-reader-protected-mode-%E2%80%93-part-2-%E2%80%93-the-sandbox-process.html "This architecture ensures that the sandboxed process cannot directly access most parts of the operating system without that access first being verified by the broker. Overall, the Flash Player sandbox process has been a journey of incremental improvements with each step bringing end-users a more secure environment." maybe developers just dont understand how security works? it is very likely due to wrong permissions set on files after download: http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=2773631 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=953317 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=951028 how can one broke that is unbelievable and i can point to somewhat related plugin problem https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78414 long distance call from 2001 <pre> may be mozilla should not lie to long-time users? read discussions in: https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2012/10/05/prompting-our-users-to-update-their-plugins/comment-page-2/#comment-162061 TLS 1.2 support ! https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/959936 Bug 755593 - Remove tabs-on-bottom mode (fixed) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=755593 Bug 812695 - [Read comment #414] [D2D] Text Rendering Issues on Windows 7 with Platform Update KB2670838 (MSIE 10 Prerequisite) or on Windows 8.1 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=812695 Bug 914690 - In Firefox 24 and following, mark all versions of Java as unsafe (blocks reverted) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=914690 Bug 940078 - Reload/stop button can't be moved in customization mode anymore (Wontfix) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=940078 Bug 755598 - Merge back/forward, URL bar, reload/stop/go into one toolbar item (Fixed) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=755598 Bug 749804 - Remove add-on bar and move content in navigation bar (Fixed) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=749804 http://www.ghacks.net/2013/04/18/firefoxs-australis-theme-may-have-disastrous-consquences-for-users-who-customize-the-browser/ http://www.ghacks.net/2013/10/07/mozilla-launches-get-australis-invites-everyone-install-latest-firefox-australis-version/ http://www.ghacks.net/2013/11/18/happening-firefox-interface-redesign-landing-nightly-channel/ <sub> '''edit''' added thread & bug titles ~J99 </pre> and honestly say that they will degrade and dumb down firefox http://pop.dedoimedo.com/computers/firefox-suckfest.html http://www.andyhalford.com/ "Unfortunately I do not have the time or the motivation to continue to support these in light of the organisation that Mozilla has become. Apparently spending 1000's of hours promoting their products and providing add-ons to fill the gaps in their product and repair bookmarks destroyed by Firefox Sync, counts for little and does not deserve any flexibility or support from them. "

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AliceWyman
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Azure12, Another possible workaround you could try for the Firefox/Flash focus bug (bug 768802) is to set the Flash plugin to "Ask to Activate" in the Firefox Add-ons -> Plugins list, as mentioned in Adobe bug 3223393. To quote from Adobe's bug report:


Activating click-to-play in Firefox is another possibility to gain more control over the stupid flash-plugin. If you use it right.
That means, you should'nt allow click-to-play to have flash activated for specific websites. If you do, you can't control the timing of the focus-loss exactly.
Con:
- You have to click each time you want to use flash.
Pros:
- Focus-loss can only occur right after you click-to-play.
- Any flash content is disabled by default. That means, there should be no danger of infection or performance-impairment by flash elements which you don't need to run. 

For more information on click to play see:

For more information on Protected Mode in Flash (Disabling Protected Mode in Flash is the workaround I use for the Focus bug, which also affects SeaMonkey) see:

'''Azure12,''' Another possible workaround you could try for the Firefox/Flash focus bug ([https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=768802 bug 768802]) is to set the Flash plugin to "Ask to Activate" in the Firefox Add-ons -> Plugins list, as mentioned in [https://bugbase.adobe.com/index.cfm?event=bug&id=3223393 Adobe bug 3223393]. To quote from Adobe's bug report: ----- Activating click-to-play in Firefox is another possibility to gain more control over the stupid flash-plugin. If you use it right. That means, you should'nt allow click-to-play to have flash activated for specific websites. If you do, you can't control the timing of the focus-loss exactly. Con: - You have to click each time you want to use flash. Pros: - Focus-loss can only occur right after you click-to-play. - Any flash content is disabled by default. That means, there should be no danger of infection or performance-impairment by flash elements which you don't need to run. ----- For more information on click to play see: *[[Why do I have to click to activate plugins?]] (refers to outdated plugins but generally applies to any plugin set to "Ask to Activate" in the Addons Plugins list) *http://kb.mozillazine.org/Issues_related_to_plugins#Click_to_Play For more information on Protected Mode in Flash ([http://kb.mozillazine.org/Flash#Disabling_Protected_Mode_in_Flash_11.3 Disabling Protected Mode in Flash] is the workaround I use for the Focus bug, which also affects SeaMonkey) see: *http://kb.mozillazine.org/Flash#Flash_Protected_Mode_issues_on_Windows_Vista_and_above
John99 971 solutions 13138 answers

You have obviously done your research, but unfortunately this is just a forum of fellow Firefox users. We are not developers, and developers are unlikely to read posts in this forum.

Some of us will be disappointed when problems and issues are seen that do not have a good solution, but we do need to be aware that some projects get a higher priority than others. Sometimes about all we can do is suggest workarounds, or maybe suggest somewhere more appropriate to raise the issue.

If you have found reproducible issues for which a bug does not already exist you could file a bug yourself, but unfortunately there is then no guarantee any particular bug will be fixed.

If you wish to try to influence developers maybe see if your questions are ontopic in any of the other fora.

From your comment

.... spending 1000's of hours promoting their products and providing add-ons to fill the gaps in their product and repair bookmarks destroyed by Firefox Sync, 

I wonder if you may have built up any network of contacts that may be able to give you suggestions on how to influence or contact developers.

You have obviously done your research, but unfortunately this is just a forum of fellow Firefox users. We are not developers, and developers are unlikely to read posts in this forum. Some of us will be disappointed when problems and issues are seen that do not have a good solution, but we do need to be aware that some projects get a higher priority than others. Sometimes about all we can do is suggest workarounds, or maybe suggest somewhere more appropriate to raise the issue. If you have found reproducible issues for which a bug does not already exist you could file a bug yourself, but unfortunately there is then no guarantee any particular bug will be fixed. If you wish to try to influence developers maybe see if your questions are ontopic in any of the other fora. * http://www.mozilla.org/about/forums/#dev-planning * http://www.mozilla.org/about/forums/#dev-quality * http://www.mozilla.org/about/forums/#general-development From your comment ''.... spending 1000's of hours promoting their products and providing add-ons to fill the gaps in their product and repair bookmarks destroyed by Firefox Sync, '' I wonder if you may have built up any network of contacts that may be able to give you suggestions on how to influence or contact developers.
jscher2000
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Hi ololo123, I put up with the dumb window switching on my system that is compatible with protected mode. Everyone can make their own choices.

You wrote:

maybe developers just dont understand how security works? it is very likely due to wrong permissions set on files after download: http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=2773631
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=953317
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=951028

how can one broke that is unbelievable

That's a new issue in Firefox 26, and I have been actively contributing to getting it fixed, as you can see by viewing that bug and the one I filed that was considered a duplicate of it. I don't think it could be related to the Flash protected mode behavior. Perhaps you see a link that I do not.

Hi ololo123, I put up with the dumb window switching on my system that is compatible with protected mode. Everyone can make their own choices. You wrote: <blockquote>maybe developers just dont understand how security works? it is very likely due to wrong permissions set on files after download: [http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&amp;t=2773631 http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&amp;t=2773631]<br> [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=953317 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=953317]<br> [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=951028 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=951028]<br><br>how can one broke that is unbelievable</blockquote> That's a new issue in Firefox 26, and I have been actively contributing to getting it fixed, as you can see by viewing that bug and the one I filed that was considered a duplicate of it. I don't think it could be related to the Flash protected mode behavior. Perhaps you see a link that I do not.

Chosen Solution

I've settled on leaving Flash disabled in Firefox. I'm using Internet Explorer when I need to view Flash websites.

I've settled on leaving Flash disabled in Firefox. I'm using Internet Explorer when I need to view Flash websites.
AliceWyman
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Azure12, Thanks for posting back that you've settled on leaving Flash disabled in Firefox and using another browser to view Flash websites. I've marked that as your "solution", for the purposes of this thread.

'''Azure12,''' Thanks for posting back that you've settled on leaving Flash disabled in Firefox and using another browser to view Flash websites. I've marked that as your "solution", for the purposes of this thread.