According to a comment by Marco Bonardo on Bugzilla:
"please reinstall the yahoo engine from their official webpage, it's no more one of the default engines."
This is disruptive to those who use Yahoo! as their default because it is removed during a daily automatic update of search engine plugins and a different search plugin becomes the default (how this is determined is unclear, it might be Google, one user said Amazon).
I'm not sure about the Yahoo Search Addon on AMO because it contains background scripts which sound troubling: "LogManager.js", "TrackingEncoder.js", "TrackingManager.js". What? Why??
According to a comment by Marco Bonardo on Bugzilla:
"please reinstall the yahoo engine from their official webpage, it's no more one of the default engines."
This is disruptive to those who use Yahoo! as their default because it is removed during a daily automatic update of search engine plugins and a different search plugin becomes the default (how this is determined is unclear, it might be Google, one user said Amazon).
I'm not sure about the [https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/yahoo-search-addon/ Yahoo Search Addon] on AMO because it contains background scripts which sound troubling: "LogManager.js", "TrackingEncoder.js", "TrackingManager.js". What? Why??
I probably will suggest an XML file from here: http://mycroftproject.com/yahoo-search-plugins.html (section 15 has the most general search plugins).
'''*** Edit ***'''
I posted a couple on this page for now: https://www.userchrome.org/yahooxml.html
Would be interesting if this is intentional or a coincidence with the legal battle going on between Mozilla and Yahoo. https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/12/05/mozilla-files-cross-complaint-against-yahoo-holdings-and-oath/
Oddly, I couldn't find a bugzilla report about the removal of the Yahoo search engine from Firefox. I no longer see Yahoo search as an available engine in Firefox 57, 58 and 59 Beta Search panel settings (I updated Manage Firefox search settings and related KB articles).
Oddly, I couldn't find a bugzilla report about the removal of the Yahoo search engine from Firefox. I no longer see Yahoo search as an available engine in Firefox 57, 58 and 59 Beta Search panel settings (I updated [[Change your default search settings in Firefox]] and related KB articles).
The image in https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/11/14/firefox-features-google-as-default-search-provider-in-the-u-s-canada-hong-kong-and-taiwan/ indicates that Yahoo was still an available search engine when the default engine was switched to Google in Firefox 57 Quantum.
I'm wondering if a KB article or a common forum response is needed to explain how to add back Yahoo search. Recent support questions:
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1208277 yahoo search gone from firefox
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1208139 Firefox doesnt have yahoo search engine anymore
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1208336 make yahoo my default search engine
According to a comment by Marco Bonardo on Bugzilla:
"please reinstall the yahoo engine from their official webpage, it's no more one of the default engines."
That comment was posted here:
Bug 1443957 Yahoo search gone from search engines list RESOLVED INVALID
''jscher2000 [[#post-73585|said]]''
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According to a comment by Marco Bonardo on Bugzilla:
"please reinstall the yahoo engine from their official webpage, it's no more one of the default engines."
</blockquote>
That comment was posted here:
[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1443957#c4 Bug 1443957] Yahoo search gone from search engines list RESOLVED INVALID
(The bug report is linked from [/questions/1208139?page=2#answer-1085533] and [/questions/1208336])
''AliceWyman [[#post-73587|said]]''
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Oddly, I couldn't find a bugzilla report about the removal of the Yahoo search engine from Firefox.
</blockquote>
Here's the checkin: https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-release/rev/a46d7b315f70
That references [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1442738 bug 1442738], in which access is restricted.
Shouldn't Mozilla have informed users about their decision to remove Yahoo as default search engine ?
Not everybody reads print media like the Newburgh Journal, where it says (on December 7, 2017 !) :
" It has also said that it had to take the decision to remove Yahoo as the default browser because continuing to use Yahoo as the default browser would have had a negative impact. "
(Where it says 'default browser', it should of course be 'default search engine')
Would have been nice if at least contributors on the support forum had been given the heads up …….
Shouldn't Mozilla have informed users about their decision to remove Yahoo as default search engine ?
Not everybody reads print media like the Newburgh Journal, where it says (on December 7, 2017 !) :
'' " It has also said that it had to take the decision to remove Yahoo as the default browser because continuing to use Yahoo as the default browser would have had a negative impact. "''
(Where it says 'default browser', it should of course be 'default search engine')
http://newburghjournal.com/2017/12/mozilla-files-countersuit-against-oath-over-default-search/
Would have been nice if at least contributors on the support forum had been given the heads up …….
EDIT:
I made some revisions and then added the "Add Yahoo Search to Firefox" response. It's under the "Search" category in the "Common responses" tool.
I created [[Forum response - Add Yahoo Search to Firefox]] based on [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1443957#c6 bug 1443957 comments 6 -7] by Marco Bonardo.
If it looks OK, I'll add it to [[common forum responses]].
'''EDIT:'''
I made some revisions and then added the "Add Yahoo Search to Firefox" response. It's under the "Search" category in the "Common responses" tool.
Hi Happy112, I think the decision to change the default back to Google in Firefox 57 was pretty well documented, but whatever happened this past week has been very hush hush.
Hi Happy112, I think the decision to change the default back to Google in Firefox 57 was pretty well documented, but whatever happened this past week has been very hush hush.
Hi Happy112, I think the decision to change the default back to Google in Firefox 57 was pretty well documented, but whatever happened this past week has been very hush hush.
Where has it been pretty well documented ?
Well enough for the average user (including us, contributors) to have read it ?
To have seen this coming ?
Whatever this is, for I still have no idea what happened last week.
Let me rephrase that : I still have no idea what caused it .....
''jscher2000 [[#post-73620|said]]''
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Hi Happy112, I think the decision to change the default back to Google in Firefox 57 was pretty well documented, but whatever happened this past week has been very hush hush.
</blockquote>
Where has it been pretty well documented ?
Well enough for the average user (including us, contributors) to have <BR>read it ?
To have seen this coming ?
Whatever ''this'' is, for I still have no idea what happened last week.
Let me rephrase that : I still have no idea what ''caused'' it .....
No, it does not look OK .......... it looks great !
''AliceWyman [[#post-73617|said]]''
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If it looks OK, I'll add it to [[common forum responses]].
</blockquote>
No, it does not look OK .......... it looks '''''great !'''''
The decision to completely remove Yahoo as a search option last week is another matter. Maybe someone in the know can share some details without disclosing "sensitive" information?
I forgot to thank you, Chris, for posting that information.
''Happy112 [[#post-73611|said]]''
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Shouldn't Mozilla have informed users about their decision to remove Yahoo as default search engine ?
</blockquote>
Mozilla informed users that Google was being set as the default Search engine in Firefox Quantum (v. 57) here:
https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/11/14/firefox-features-google-as-default-search-provider-in-the-u-s-canada-hong-kong-and-taiwan/
The decision to completely remove Yahoo as a search option last week is another matter. Maybe someone in the know can share some details without disclosing "sensitive" information?
'''P.S.''' Thanks for the kudo, Happy :-)
''Chris Ilias [[#post-73601|said]]''
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''AliceWyman [[#post-73587|said]]''
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Oddly, I couldn't find a bugzilla report about the removal of the Yahoo search engine from Firefox.
</blockquote>
Here's the checkin: https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-release/rev/a46d7b315f70
That references [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1442738 bug 1442738], in which access is restricted.
</blockquote>
I forgot to thank you, Chris, for posting that information.
For users of country-specific search plugins that are being removed, it's the same principle. Should we mention that and give some examples? I added this edit in case it's useful:
Thanks, Alice.
For users of country-specific search plugins that are being removed, it's the same principle. Should we mention that and give some examples? I added this edit in case it's useful:
(Or your preferred country page such as [https://uk.yahoo.com/] or [https://de.yahoo.com/].)
But we can't expect the average user to read Mozila blogs - hence I started a thread here some time ago, about warning users about upcoming changes using a banner.
''AliceWyman [[#post-73623|said]]''
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Mozilla informed users that Google was being set as the default Search engine in Firefox Quantum (v. 57) here:
https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/11/14/firefox-features-google-as-default-search-provider-in-the-u-s-canada-hong-kong-and-taiw
</blockquote>
But we can't expect the average user to read Mozila blogs - hence I started a thread here some time ago, about warning users about upcoming changes using a banner.
But we're getting off-topic since this discussion is about the complete removal of Yahoo Search last week, without warning, which left users confused and upset and support forum contributors not knowing what happened.
Notice of Firefox changes belong in the release notes... but Firefox 57 Quantum had so many changes that https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/57.0/releasenotes/ included a ''To learn more about Firefox Quantum, visit the [https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/11/14/introducing-firefox-quantum Mozilla Blog]'' link to https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/11/14/introducing-firefox-quantum ... where the switch to Google as the default search provider in the US and Canada was also mentioned.
But we're getting off-topic since this discussion is about the complete removal of Yahoo Search last week, without warning, which left users confused and upset and support forum contributors not knowing what happened.
I see that there is an issue with some locales of Firefox 52.7.0 and that there will be a 52.7.1 version.
*Bug 1445278 - Search is broken on Firefox 52.7.0 - Italian build
Some more default search engine changes have made:
*https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-release/log/tip/browser/locales/search/list.json
Search changes are often restricted by contract terms until they happen. Google is the default search engine in Firefox, if users want to use another search engine they can install it manually.
Search changes are often restricted by contract terms until they happen. Google is the default search engine in Firefox, if users want to use another search engine they can install it manually.
Add-on stats could be inflated, but it appears some people do really like using Yahoo and either are more comfortable installing from the Add-ons site or didn't figure out how to add the search plugin from Yahoo:
That probably will crest this month as the dedicated users get back what they're missing and everyone settles back into their routines.
Edit: Added March 15 - Apr 5
Add-on stats could be inflated, but it appears some people do really like using Yahoo and either are more comfortable installing from the Add-ons site or didn't figure out how to add the search plugin from Yahoo:
<blockquote><table><thead><tr><th>Date</th><th>Downloads </th></tr></thead><tbody>
<tr><th>Thu, Apr 5, 2018</th><td>548</td></tr>
<tr><th>Wed, Apr 4, 2018</th><td>561</td></tr>
<tr><th>Tue, Apr 3, 2018</th><td>540</td></tr>
<tr><th>Mon, Apr 2, 2018</th><td>664</td></tr>
<tr><th>Sun, Apr 1, 2018</th><td>620</td></tr>
<tr><th>Sat, Mar 31, 2018</th><td>679</td></tr>
<tr><th>Fri, Mar 30, 2018</th><td>365</td></tr>
<tr><th>Thu, Mar 29, 2018</th><td>975</td></tr>
<tr><th>Wed, Mar 28, 2018 </th><td>926</td></tr>
<tr><th>Tue, Mar 27, 2018</th><td>984</td></tr>
<tr><th>Mon, Mar 26, 2018 </th><td>1,069</td></tr>
<tr><th>Sun, Mar 25, 2018</th><td>1,104</td></tr>
<tr><th>Sat, Mar 24, 2018</th><td>1,117</td></tr>
<tr><th>Fri, Mar 23, 2018</th><td>1,145</td></tr>
<tr><th>Thu, Mar 22, 2018</th><td>1,280</td></tr>
<tr><th>Wed, Mar 21, 2018 </th><td>1,263</td></tr>
<tr><th>Tue, Mar 20, 2018</th><td>1,107</td></tr>
<tr><th>Mon, Mar 19, 2018</th><td>1,335</td></tr>
<tr><th>Sun, Mar 18, 2018</th><td>1,591</td></tr>
<tr><th>Sat, Mar 17, 2018</th><td>1,599 ''peak''</td></tr>
<tr><th>Fri, Mar 16, 2018</th><td>1,227</td></tr>
<tr><th>Thu, Mar 15, 2018</th><td>1,222</td></tr>
<tr><th>Wed, Mar 14, 2018</th><td>1,231</td></tr>
<tr><th>Tue, Mar 13, 2018</th><td>498</td></tr>
<tr><th>Mon, Mar 12, 2018</th><td>259</td></tr>
<tr><th>Sun, Mar 11, 2018</th><td>283</td></tr>
<tr><th>Sat, Mar 10, 2018</th><td>340</td></tr>
<tr><th>Fri, Mar 9, 2018</th><td>64</td></tr>
</tbody></table></blockquote>
https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/yahoo-com-search/statistics/
That probably will crest this month as the dedicated users get back what they're missing and everyone settles back into their routines.
Edit: Added March 15 - Apr 5
Search changes are often restricted by contract terms until they happen. Google is the default search engine in Firefox, if users want to use another search engine they can install it manually.
sunilp_099us
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Comment 19 • 2018-03-17 08:57 EDT
(In reply to Marco Bonardo [::mak] from comment #4)
> please reinstall the yahoo engine from their official webpage, it's no more
> one of the default engines.
Do you know the reason why this happened in the first place? Is something broken in the plugin? Will yahoo make it back to the default engines? I appreciate the workarounds provided by jscher very much, but I was expecting the resolution would be to restore yahoo to default engines instead of expecting our users somehow find this page and use the workaround.
Tyler, Can you explain why Yahoo was removed as a built-in search engine or is this information confidential?
''Tyler Downer [[#post-73650|said]]''
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Search changes are often restricted by contract terms until they happen. Google is the default search engine in Firefox, if users want to use another search engine they can install it manually.
</blockquote>
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1443957#c19
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sunilp_099us
(New to Bugzilla)
Comment 19 • 2018-03-17 08:57 EDT
(In reply to Marco Bonardo [::mak] from comment #4)
> please reinstall the yahoo engine from their official webpage, it's no more
> one of the default engines.
Do you know the reason why this happened in the first place? Is something broken in the plugin? Will yahoo make it back to the default engines? I appreciate the workarounds provided by jscher very much, but I was expecting the resolution would be to restore yahoo to default engines instead of expecting our users somehow find this page and use the workaround.
Flags: needinfo?(adw@mozilla.com)
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'''Tyler''', Can you explain why Yahoo was removed as a built-in search engine or is this information confidential?
Even so, Mozilla should have made Firefox users aware of the fact that Yahoo has been removed as a built-in engine, even though the reason might be confidential. This action caused users to be confused and upset, similar to the Looking Glass experience, when something changed in Firefox with no explanation:
https://blog.mozilla.org/firefox/retrospective-looking-glass/
January 30, 2018
In December, we launched a tv show tie-in with Mr. Robot, Looking Glass, that alarmed some people because we didn’t think hard enough about the implications of shipping an add on that had the potential to be both confusing and upsetting. We’re deeply sorry for this and we understand why it’s important for us to learn and grow from this experience.
''cor-el [[#post-73676|said]]''
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Could be related to other Yahoo related matters.
*https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mozilla_and_Yahoo_Holdings_Oath_Court_Case
</blockquote>
Even so, Mozilla should have made Firefox users aware of the fact that Yahoo has been removed as a built-in engine, even though the reason might be confidential. This action caused users to be confused and upset, similar to the Looking Glass experience, when something changed in Firefox with no explanation:
https://blog.mozilla.org/firefox/retrospective-looking-glass/
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''January 30, 2018''
''In December, we launched a tv show tie-in with Mr. Robot, Looking Glass, that alarmed some people because we didn’t think hard enough about the implications of shipping an add on that had the potential to be both confusing and upsetting. We’re deeply sorry for this and we understand why it’s important for us to learn and grow from this experience.''
