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As mentioned here in Firefox Sync https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-do-i-set-sync-my-computer "Sync is not a data backup service. Users should continue to perform regular backups of their Firefox profiles to prevent loss of data."

Does that mean I'll lose access to all passwords in Lockwise if I don't have a secondary device(mobile device) synced to Firefox

As mentioned here in Firefox Sync https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-do-i-set-sync-my-computer "Sync is not a data backup service. Users should continue to perform regular backups of their Firefox profiles to prevent loss of data." Does that mean I'll lose access to all passwords in Lockwise if I don't have a secondary device(mobile device) synced to Firefox
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jscher2000
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Hi Jijo, as far as I can tell, the built-in version of Lockwise in Firefox 70 works with the same data files as the old Password Manager, and cloud sync is still optional.

Without Sync, the data is only stored in your Firefox profile on disk. More info on the profile folder and its contents: Profiles - Where Firefox stores your bookmarks, passwords and other user data.

Hi Jijo, as far as I can tell, the built-in version of Lockwise in Firefox 70 works with the same data files as the old Password Manager, and cloud sync is still optional. Without Sync, the data is only stored in your Firefox profile on disk. More info on the profile folder and its contents: [[Profiles - Where Firefox stores your bookmarks, passwords and other user data]].
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https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-do-i-set-sync-my-computer This link seems to be confusing. It seems that Firefox doesn't store the data online, It needs an active device or a secondary device in order to restore the data to a new device.


For example: If I had synced my passwords between Firefox desktop and mobile using Firefox sync account, And If I were to lose both devices, Will I be able to restore my stored passwords by logging in to Firefox account from another device?

Let me know more clarity on how the sync works.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-do-i-set-sync-my-computer This link seems to be confusing. It seems that Firefox doesn't store the data online, It needs an active device or a secondary device in order to restore the data to a new device. For example: If I had synced my passwords between Firefox desktop and mobile using Firefox sync account, And If I were to lose both devices, Will I be able to restore my stored passwords by logging in to Firefox account from another device? Let me know more clarity on how the sync works.
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jscher2000
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Hi Jijo, Sync may not be able to restore data purely from Mozilla's servers with no other devices currently connected. It sometimes works, but not always. I haven't dug into those cases to try to understand why there might be inconsistent results. Perhaps another support volunteer has more information.

Hi Jijo, Sync ''may not'' be able to restore data purely from Mozilla's servers with no other devices currently connected. It sometimes works, but not always. I haven't dug into those cases to try to understand why there might be inconsistent results. Perhaps another support volunteer has more information.
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All passwords are encrypted using your Firefox credentials. If you change your Firefox password, like I once did, you lose access to all of your passwords on new devices until you sign into one of your old devices and let those passwords sync back into your Firefox account.

All passwords are encrypted using your Firefox credentials. If you change your Firefox password, like I once did, you lose access to all of your passwords on new devices until you sign into one of your old devices and let those passwords sync back into your Firefox account.
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Clearsky 0 solutions 3 answers

Thank you to the OP who asks a very pertinent question that Mozilla is failing to answer on it's product page. https://www.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/lockwise/

I need not point out that Firefox users are usually more tech-savvy so we do think about these issues. I use Firefox to stay clear of the big three tech companies and I trust the community to do the right thing but there's something sadly missing with some of the latest updates. It's a general trend to dumb down features and technical information at the same time as improving the UX. I've even looked on Git Hub to see if I can get a clue about Lockwise, but that's not the best place to find concise technical answers. The information available to end-users about how Sync & Lockwise work is lacking.

If, as theorised in this discussion, if the data is synchronised from device to device then Mozilla has a major advantage over other browsers because there is no way for data harvesting/hacking to be carried out en masse as there is no central cloud storage and this should be celebrated and publicised more.

So please Mozilla give us all more clarity on how sync & Lockwise works.

Thank you to the OP who asks a very pertinent question that Mozilla is failing to answer on it's product page. https://www.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/lockwise/ I need not point out that Firefox users are usually more tech-savvy so we do think about these issues. I use Firefox to stay clear of the big three tech companies and I trust the community to do the right thing but there's something sadly missing with some of the latest updates. It's a general trend to dumb down features and technical information at the same time as improving the UX. I've even looked on Git Hub to see if I can get a clue about Lockwise, but that's not the best place to find concise technical answers. The information available to end-users about how Sync & Lockwise work is lacking. If, as theorised in this discussion, if the data is synchronised from device to device then Mozilla has a major advantage over other browsers because there is no way for data harvesting/hacking to be carried out en masse as there is no central cloud storage and this should be celebrated and publicised more. So please Mozilla give us all more clarity on how sync & Lockwise works.
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jscher2000
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Clearsky said

If, as theorised in this discussion, if the data is synchronised from device to device then Mozilla has a major advantage over other browsers because there is no way for data harvesting/hacking to be carried out en masse as there is no central cloud storage and this should be celebrated and publicised more.

Lockwise -- as a feature of Firefox -- works with local saved login data within an installation of Firefox. You can share saved login data with other installations of Firefox using Sync.

There is centralized storage with Sync because not all data transfers are "real time." However, the data in storage is encrypted within Firefox before transmission, so it is not readable on the server. There is a ton of documentation over here:

https://mozilla-services.readthedocs.io/en/latest/sync/overview.html

''Clearsky [[#answer-1265314|said]]'' <blockquote> If, as theorised in this discussion, if the data is synchronised from device to device then Mozilla has a major advantage over other browsers because there is no way for data harvesting/hacking to be carried out en masse as there is no central cloud storage and this should be celebrated and publicised more. </blockquote> Lockwise -- as a feature of Firefox -- works with local saved login data within an installation of Firefox. You can share saved login data with other installations of Firefox using Sync. There is centralized storage with Sync because not all data transfers are "real time." However, the data in storage is encrypted within Firefox before transmission, so it is not readable on the server. There is a ton of documentation over here: https://mozilla-services.readthedocs.io/en/latest/sync/overview.html
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Garash 0 solutions 1 answers

Just a note to the Mozilla Team :

I found this page because I wanted to understand if at the very least Firefox Sync and services like Lockwise are using fully end to end encryption and/or direct peer to peer communication. I think these services in their description/advertising are missing an opportunity to shout about client side encryption and the fact that even if Mozilla was forced to OR the data is stolen - that your private data is still secure - that end to end encryption should be the de-facto gold standard for all private and personal data on the web and Mozilla is leading the way.

THANK YOU, Mozilla Team for giving a damn - the world is a better place for it - for this reason I am loyal user from the days of Netscape - keep rocking it!!

Just a note to the Mozilla Team : I found this page because I wanted to understand if at the very least Firefox Sync and services like Lockwise are using fully end to end encryption and/or direct peer to peer communication. I think these services in their description/advertising are missing an opportunity to shout about client side encryption and the fact that even if Mozilla was forced to OR the data is stolen - that your private data is still secure - that end to end encryption should be the de-facto gold standard for all private and personal data on the web and Mozilla is leading the way. THANK YOU, Mozilla Team for giving a damn - the world is a better place for it - for this reason I am loyal user from the days of Netscape - keep rocking it!!
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