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Flash 11.4

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  1. user633449
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    Hello Everybody! Thank you for sticking through with us on these ongoing Flash 11.3 issues. They have been frustrating for us and you (and users) and we want to thank you all for the help you have been! We have some news that may' 'help.

    Tomorrow (August 21st) Adobe is slated to release Flash 11.4. In this update they claim to fix most, if not all, of the issues introduced in 11.3. Our testing does show a decrease in the amount of crashes and hangs. However, our test group is small, so we aren't very confident that this update is going to fix these issues, or even make them worse. So for now, this is the track for this update:

    • Tomorrow is the release of 11.4. We will Not change our documentation yet to urge users with 11.3 difficulties to upgrade, but wait to see if wider crash stats and SUMO verify this fixes the 11.3 problems.
    • However, if you see users on the forums are resolving their 11.3 problems with 11.4, please let us know (post in this thread). At the same time, keep an eye on any new problems with this update
    • By the end of this week, we will evaluate how effective this update is. If it fixes many of the 11.3 problems, we will update our documentation to begin suggesting users upgrade to the newer version.

    Please bear with us while we work on these issues, and hopefully we will have a good long-term solution soon!

    Hello Everybody! Thank you for sticking through with us on these ongoing Flash 11.3 issues. They have been frustrating for us and you (and users) and we want to thank you all for the help you have been! We have some news that ''may' 'help. Tomorrow (August 21st) Adobe is slated to release Flash 11.4. In this update they claim to fix most, if not all, of the issues introduced in 11.3. Our testing does show a decrease in the amount of crashes and hangs. However, our test group is small, so we aren't very confident that this update is going to fix these issues, or even make them worse. So for now, this is the track for this update: * Tomorrow is the release of 11.4. We will '''Not''' change our documentation yet to urge users with 11.3 difficulties to upgrade, but wait to see if wider crash stats and SUMO verify this fixes the 11.3 problems. * However, if you see users on the forums are resolving their 11.3 problems with 11.4, please let us know (post in this thread). At the same time, keep an eye on any new problems with this update * By the end of this week, we will evaluate how effective this update is. If it fixes many of the 11.3 problems, we will update our documentation to begin suggesting users upgrade to the newer version. Please bear with us while we work on these issues, and hopefully we will have a good long-term solution soon!
  2. AliceWyman
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    Flash Player 11.4 is now available from http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/

    Tylerdowner said

    We will Not change our documentation yet to urge users with 11.3 difficulties to upgrade, but wait to see if wider crash stats and SUMO verify this fixes the 11.3 problems.

    For users with Flash 11.3 issues, the current recommendation in the Adobe Flash plugin has crashed - Prevent it from happening again article (just updated yesterday) is to downgrade to Flash 10.3.

    Looks like Flash 10.3 was also updated today. Both new versions are available for direct download from http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/distribution3.html even though the Flash Player 11.3 and Flash Player 10.3 headings haven't been updated yet which is now updated with the new version numbers, 11.4.402.265 and 10.3.183.23

    Flash Player 11.4 is now available from http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ ''Tylerdowner [[#post-48240|said]]'' <blockquote>We will '''Not''' change our documentation yet to urge users with 11.3 difficulties to upgrade, but wait to see if wider crash stats and SUMO verify this fixes the 11.3 problems. </blockquote> For users with Flash 11.3 issues, the current recommendation in the [[Flash 11.3 crashes]] article (just updated yesterday) is to downgrade to Flash 10.3. Looks like Flash 10.3 was also updated today. Both new versions are available for direct download from http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/distribution3.html <del>even though the Flash Player 11.3 and Flash Player 10.3 headings haven't been updated yet</del> which is now updated with the new version numbers, 11.4.402.265 and 10.3.183.23 *http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r27445553-Adobe-Flash-Player-11.4.402.265-10.3.183.23 *http://www.broadbandreports.com/forum/r27445544-Adobe-Flash-Player-11.4.402.265-10.3.183.23

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  3. AliceWyman
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    8/21/2012 - Flash Player 11.4 Release Announcement from Adobe.

    Adobe's announcement currently has an incorrect link for the release notes ... but I found them at http://www.adobe.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/releasenotes.html

    The new Flash versions also include a security update. See:

    Security Bulletin APSB12-19 Release date: August 21, 2012
    Quote:

    For users who cannot update to Flash Player 11.4.402.265, Adobe has developed a patched version of Flash Player 10.x, Flash Player 10.3.183.23 <snip>

    [http://forums.adobe.com/message/4637119#4637119 8/21/2012 - Flash Player 11.4 Release Announcement] from Adobe. Adobe's announcement currently has an incorrect link for the release notes ... but I found them at http://www.adobe.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/releasenotes.html *[http://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/release-note/fp_114_air_34_release_notes.html Flash 11.4 release notes] The new Flash versions also include a security update. See: [http://www.adobe.com/support/security/bulletins/apsb12-19.html Security Bulletin APSB12-19] Release date: August 21, 2012<br> '''Quote:''' ----- For users who cannot update to Flash Player 11.4.402.265, Adobe has developed a patched version of Flash Player 10.x, Flash Player 10.3.183.23 <snip>

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  4. AliceWyman
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    On posting information on the support forum about updating to Flash 11.4: You should take into account users who may have disabled Protected Mode in Flash 11.3. Example, from https://support.mozilla.org/questions/932486#answer-362010

    Flash Player 11.4 is now released. It includes fixes for many issues as well as a security update (see Adobe's Announcement and the release notes for details.)

    You can use the links in this article to download and install Flash 11.4

    For anyone who may have disabled protected mode in Flash 11.3 and is now updating to Flash 11.4, you should re-edit the mms.cfg file to remove the ProtectedMode=0 line (reference) to see if the problems are now resolved.

    P.S. Maybe Tyler Downer or another SUMO team member who is in contact with Adobe can confirm the info in the above reference, in which Chris Campbell (Adobe staff member) wrote on Aug 2, 2012: ... our updates or new installs will not re-enable protected mode. You'll need to edit your mms.cfg to do that.

    '''On posting information on the support forum about updating to Flash 11.4''': You should take into account users who may have [http://kb.mozillazine.org/Flash#Disabling_Protected_Mode_in_Flash_11.3 disabled Protected Mode in Flash 11.3]. Example, from https://support.mozilla.org/questions/932486#answer-362010 ----- Flash Player 11.4 is now released. It includes fixes for many issues as well as a security update (see [http://forums.adobe.com/message/4637119#4637119 Adobe's Announcement] and the [http://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/release-note/fp_114_air_34_release_notes.html release notes] for details.) You can use the links in this article to download and install Flash 11.4 *[[Flash Plugin - Keep it up to date and troubleshoot problems]] under '''[https://support.mozilla.org/kb/keep-flash-up-to-date-and-troubleshoot-problems#w_updating-flash Updating Flash]''' For anyone who may have disabled protected mode in Flash 11.3 and is now updating to Flash 11.4, you should re-edit the mms.cfg file to remove the ProtectedMode=0 line ([http://forums.adobe.com/message/4595212#4595212 reference]) to see if the problems are now resolved. ----- P.S. Maybe Tyler Downer or another SUMO team member who is in contact with Adobe can confirm the info in the above reference, in which Chris Campbell (Adobe staff member) wrote on Aug 2, 2012: ''... our updates or new installs will not re-enable protected mode. You'll need to edit your mms.cfg to do that.''

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  5. ideato
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    AliceWyman said

    "For anyone who may have disabled protected mode in Flash 11.3 and is now updating to Flash 11.4, you should re-edit the mms.cfg file to remove the ProtectedMode=0 line (reference) to see if the problems are now resolved."


    Flash 11.4 with protected mode disabled in Dingler reply in the next link http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=12221987#p12221987 it seems as a solution (at least one solution).

    AliceWyman said "For anyone who may have disabled protected mode in Flash 11.3 and is now updating to Flash 11.4, you should re-edit the mms.cfg file to remove the ProtectedMode=0 line (reference) to see if the problems are now resolved." Flash 11.4 with protected mode '''disabled''' in '''''Dingler reply''''' in the next link http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=12221987#p12221987 it seems as a solution (at least one solution).
  6. user633449
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    Alice, that is correct, the Flash 11.4 update will NOT re-enable protected mode. This has to be done manually.

    As of now, it is looking like Flash 11.4 is not any worse than 11.3, however, we aren't seeing a significant trend that it fixes many of the issues in 11.3. We are still trying to gather more feedback, so any insights you guys (and gals) have is greatly appreciated :)

    Alice, that is correct, the Flash 11.4 update will NOT re-enable protected mode. This has to be done manually. As of now, it is looking like Flash 11.4 is not any worse than 11.3, however, we aren't seeing a significant trend that it fixes many of the issues in 11.3. We are still trying to gather more feedback, so any insights you guys (and gals) have is greatly appreciated :)
  7. AliceWyman
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    Older versions of Trusteer Rapport (an application promoted by some banks for malware protection) may cause the Flash 11.4 or 11.3 plugin to crash. This was just reported in the Adobe Flash plugin has crashed - Prevent it from happening again article discussion forum:

    Related bugs I found:

    • Bug 787014 - Flash 11.4 Constantly Crashing when viewing any web page with an old version of Trusteer Rapport
    • Bug 789431 - Flash crashes continuously since upgrade to Firefox 15.0 then 15.0.1 with an old version of Trusteer Rapport
    • Bug 789880 - Adobe Flash Player crashes when trying to play videos (eg from youtube)

    I'll let one of the SUMO Team members decide whether to add this to the Adobe Flash plugin has crashed - Prevent it from happening again article. I've updated http://kb.mozillazine.org/Flash#Flash_Player_11.3_Protected_Mode_-_Windows

    Older versions of [http://www.trusteer.com/product/trusteer-rapport Trusteer Rapport] (an application promoted by some banks for malware protection) may cause the Flash 11.4 or 11.3 plugin to crash. This was just reported in the [[Flash 11.3 crashes]] article discussion forum: * https://support.mozilla.org/kb/flash-113-crashes/discuss/4617 Solution if Trusteer Rapport has caused the issue Related bugs I found: *[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=787014 Bug 787014] - Flash 11.4 Constantly Crashing when viewing any web page with an old version of Trusteer Rapport *[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=789431 Bug 789431] - Flash crashes continuously since upgrade to Firefox 15.0 then 15.0.1 with an old version of Trusteer Rapport *[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=789880 Bug 789880] - Adobe Flash Player crashes when trying to play videos (eg from youtube) I'll let one of the SUMO Team members decide whether to add this to the [[Flash 11.3 crashes]] article. I've updated http://kb.mozillazine.org/Flash#Flash_Player_11.3_Protected_Mode_-_Windows
  8. Matt_G
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    Thanks Alice. We are looking into this right now. Do we know which versions cause the issue and where the cutoff point is? That would help us to gauge the issue and figure out next steps. I'll take a look at those links after my next meeting.

    Thanks Alice. We are looking into this right now. Do we know which versions cause the issue and where the cutoff point is? That would help us to gauge the issue and figure out next steps. I'll take a look at those links after my next meeting.
  9. user633449
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    What I can find is that this issue is fixed in Trusteer 1205.8. Older versions (such as 1205.4) are affected.

    What I can find is that this issue is fixed in Trusteer 1205.8. Older versions (such as 1205.4) are affected.
  10. Stjepan-Velika Gorica
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    AliceWyman said

    On posting information on the support forum about updating to Flash 11.4: You should take into account users who may have disabled Protected Mode in Flash 11.3. Example, from https://support.mozilla.org/questions/932486#answer-362010

    Flash Player 11.4 is now released. It includes fixes for many issues as well as a security update (see Adobe's Announcement and the release notes for details.)

    You can use the links in this article to download and install Flash 11.4

    For anyone who may have disabled protected mode in Flash 11.3 and is now updating to Flash 11.4, you should re-edit the mms.cfg file to remove the ProtectedMode=0 line (reference) to see if the problems are now resolved.

    P.S. Maybe Tyler Downer or another SUMO team member who is in contact with Adobe can confirm the info in the above reference, in which Chris Campbell (Adobe staff member) wrote on Aug 2, 2012: ... our updates or new installs will not re-enable protected mode. You'll need to edit your mms.cfg to do that.

    I have Flash Player 11.4 and working good for me

    ''AliceWyman [[#post-48267|said]]'' <blockquote> '''On posting information on the support forum about updating to Flash 11.4''': You should take into account users who may have [http://kb.mozillazine.org/Flash#Disabling_Protected_Mode_in_Flash_11.3 disabled Protected Mode in Flash 11.3]. Example, from https://support.mozilla.org/questions/932486#answer-362010 ----- Flash Player 11.4 is now released. It includes fixes for many issues as well as a security update (see [http://forums.adobe.com/message/4637119#4637119 Adobe's Announcement] and the [http://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/release-note/fp_114_air_34_release_notes.html release notes] for details.) You can use the links in this article to download and install Flash 11.4 *[[Flash Plugin - Keep it up to date and troubleshoot problems]] under '''[https://support.mozilla.org/kb/keep-flash-up-to-date-and-troubleshoot-problems#w_updating-flash Updating Flash]''' For anyone who may have disabled protected mode in Flash 11.3 and is now updating to Flash 11.4, you should re-edit the mms.cfg file to remove the ProtectedMode=0 line ([http://forums.adobe.com/message/4595212#4595212 reference]) to see if the problems are now resolved. ----- P.S. Maybe Tyler Downer or another SUMO team member who is in contact with Adobe can confirm the info in the above reference, in which Chris Campbell (Adobe staff member) wrote on Aug 2, 2012: ''... our updates or new installs will not re-enable protected mode. You'll need to edit your mms.cfg to do that.'' </blockquote> I have Flash Player 11.4 and working good for me
  11. John99
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    Flash 11.4.402.278 appears to have been released Today for Windows.

    Whats the news on that , presumably it has already been tested on Firefox in advance of the release.

    Update

    I am guessing it is not a miracle cure.

    Flash 11.4.402.278 appears to have been released Today for Windows. Whats the news on that , presumably it has already been tested on Firefox in advance of the release. -------- Update *I did not manage to find any release notes for this. * I did find a forum report of Firefox crashes if protected mode is enabled with 11.4.402.278 http://forums.adobe.com/message/4708561#4708561 I am guessing it is not a miracle cure.

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  12. AliceWyman
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    Flash 10.3 was also updated to version 10.3.183.25 and both updates are listed on Adobe's Distribution page. The best I could come up with so far on Flash 11.4.402.278 (other than the Adobe forum post you mentioned) was:

    I didn't see any new Flash bulletin on Adobe's Security bulletins and advisories page and the Flash 11.4 release notes aren't updated yet. We'll just have to wait and see.

    Flash 10.3 was also updated to version 10.3.183.25 and both updates are listed on [http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/distribution3.html Adobe's Distribution page]. The best I could come up with so far on Flash 11.4.402.278 (other than the Adobe forum post you mentioned) was: * http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r27535926-Updated-Adobe-Flash-Player-11.4.402.278-10.3.183.25 I didn't see any new Flash bulletin on [http://www.adobe.com/support/security/#flashplayer Adobe's Security bulletins and advisories] page and the [http://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/release-note/fp_114_air_34_release_notes.html Flash 11.4 release notes] aren't updated yet. We'll just have to wait and see.

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  13. AliceWyman
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    I updated today to Flash 11.4.402.278 by downloading the ActiveX and Plugin exe installers linked from Adobe's Distribution page. I already had Protected Mode disabled (to work around a focus bug that causes SeaMonkey to switch from the browser window to the mailnews window when launching Flash plugin processes). I can confirm that the Flash update did NOT re-enable Protected Mode.

    I updated today to Flash 11.4.402.278 by downloading the ActiveX and Plugin exe installers linked from [http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/distribution3.html Adobe's Distribution page]. I already had Protected Mode disabled (to work around a [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=768802 focus bug] that causes SeaMonkey to switch from the browser window to the mailnews window when launching Flash plugin processes). I can confirm that the Flash update did NOT re-enable Protected Mode.
  14. Underpass
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    @Alice: the focus bug seems to be solved in Firefox by version 11.4 of the Flash plugin. Is still present in SeaMonkey?

    @Alice: the focus bug seems to be solved in Firefox by version 11.4 of the Flash plugin. Is still present in SeaMonkey?
  15. AliceWyman
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    underpass, the focus bug, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=768802 is still open and links to the Adobe bug, https://bugbase.adobe.com/index.cfm?event=bug&id=3223393 where, under Notes, it has conflicting comments, "Still not fixed in 11.4.402.278" dated Sept 18 and "11.4.402.278: Still partial fix(FF loses focus for a moment then regains it when Flash processes launch)" on Sept 20. Anyway, it's definitely not fixed in SeaMonkey (I just tested it).

    P.S. It's possible that there's a separate bug on the SeaMonkey focus switch from browser to mail/news ... I just haven't found it.

    underpass, the focus bug, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=768802 is still open and links to the Adobe bug, https://bugbase.adobe.com/index.cfm?event=bug&id=3223393 where, under Notes, it has conflicting comments, "Still not fixed in 11.4.402.278" dated Sept 18 and "11.4.402.278: Still partial fix(FF loses focus for a moment then regains it when Flash processes launch)" on Sept 20. Anyway, it's definitely not fixed in SeaMonkey (I just tested it). P.S. It's possible that there's a separate bug on the SeaMonkey focus switch from browser to mail/news ... I just haven't found it.

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  16. AliceWyman
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    I still haven't found any information on what actually got fixed in Flash 11.4.402.278 but I did find an interesting article dated September 20, 2012:

    Quote:

    Adobe Flash Player 11.4.402.278

    According to Adobe’s Release Notes for Flash Player 11.4, this version doesn’t exist yet – they still point to 11.4.402.265 as the latest version, even though the update has been out for 2 days now.

    According to Adobe’s Security Bulletins for Flash Player, the last bulletin was posted in August and refers to 11.4.402.265 – not the latest version.

    However, Flash Player Support Center states that the new 11.4.402.278 “contains fixes for critical vulnerabilities identified in Security Bulletin APSB12-19″ which is the August bulletin noted above…

    Either the update last month did not actually fix (all of) the security vulnerabilities (which is not good news as it means Flash Player has been at risk for weeks) or Adobe have made a mistake and there are no security updates in the latest version?

    It’s impossible to know for sure but it is probably safest to assume that the new version released this week does include security updates – and should therefore be installed. It may include other fixes but, if so, Adobe aren’t saying.

    Makes you wonder.

    I still haven't found any information on what actually got fixed in Flash 11.4.402.278 but I did find an interesting article dated September 20, 2012: *http://techlogon.com/2012/09/20/adobe-flash-player-and-shockwave-september-updates-released-without-change-logs/ '''Quote:''' ----- '''Adobe Flash Player 11.4.402.278''' According to Adobe’s [http://helpx.adobe.com/en/flash-player/release-note/fp_114_air_34_release_notes.html Release Notes] for Flash Player 11.4, this version doesn’t exist yet – they still point to 11.4.402.265 as the latest version, even though the update has been out for 2 days now. According to Adobe’s [http://www.adobe.com/support/security/#flashplayer Security Bulletins] for Flash Player, the last bulletin was posted in August and refers to 11.4.402.265 – not the latest version. However, Flash Player [http://www.adobe.com/support/flashplayer/downloads.html Support Center] states that the new 11.4.402.278 “contains fixes for critical vulnerabilities identified in Security Bulletin APSB12-19″ which is the August bulletin noted above… Either the update last month did not actually fix (all of) the security vulnerabilities (which is not good news as it means Flash Player has been at risk for weeks) or Adobe have made a mistake and there are no security updates in the latest version? It’s impossible to know for sure but it is probably safest to assume that the new version released this week does include security updates – and should therefore be installed. It may include other fixes but, if so, Adobe aren’t saying. ----- Makes you wonder.
  17. John99
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    Another Security Bulletin from Adobe 

    Security updates available for Adobe Flash Player
Release date: October 8, 2012  
Vulnerability identifier: APSB12-22

    So most Firefox desktop users will be moving to Adobe Flash Player 11.4.402.287

    This also mentions updates for Linux versions, and for Flash 10.3

    ... For users of Flash Player 10.3.183.23 and earlier versions for Windows and Macintosh, who cannot update to Flash Player 11.4.402.287, Adobe has made available the update Flash Player 10.3.183.29, which can be downloaded here. ... {link]

    At least that is good news for anyone sticking on Flash 10.3

    Another Security Bulletin from Adobe Security updates available for Adobe Flash Player Release date: October 8, 2012 Vulnerability identifier: APSB12-22 * and it is found by Plugincheck * http://www.adobe.com/support/security/bulletins/apsb12-22.html So most Firefox desktop users will be moving to''' Adobe Flash Player 11.4.402.287 ''' This also mentions updates for Linux versions, and for Flash 10.3 <blockquote>... For users of Flash Player 10.3.183.23 and earlier versions for Windows and Macintosh, who cannot update to Flash Player 11.4.402.287, Adobe has made available the update Flash Player 10.3.183.29, which can be downloaded here. ... {[http://www.adobe.com/support/security/bulletins/apsb12-22.html link]]</blockquote> At least that is good news for anyone sticking on Flash 10.3

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  18. kuopiofi
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    So is the current Flash a working one?

    So is the current Flash a working one?
  19. AliceWyman
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    kuopiofi, you asked, So is the current Flash a working one?

    The current Flash is 11.5 ... which includes a security update. See: https://support.mozilla.org/forums/contributors/708430?last=49445&page=8#post-49445

    mha007 said

    Adobe recently released an Update for Flash Player.. Details are below: -> 11/6/2012 - Flash Player 11.5 Release Announcement -> Release Notes | Flash Player® 11.5 AIR® 3.5 -> Adobe Security Bulletin - Security Update available for Flash Player

    There are Flash bugs for 11.3 11.4 and 11.5 that are still open. For example, I still have to disable Protected Mode in Flash 11.5 to work around a "focus" bug in SeaMonkey.

    '''kuopiofi,''' you asked, ''So is the current Flash a working one?'' The current Flash is 11.5 ... which includes a security update. See: https://support.mozilla.org/forums/contributors/708430?last=49445&page=8#post-49445 ----- ''mha007 [https://support.mozilla.org/forums/contributors/708430?last=49445&page=8#post-49445 said]'' <blockquote> Adobe recently released an Update for Flash Player.. Details are below: -> 11/6/2012 - Flash Player 11.5 Release Announcement *http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1094638 -> Release Notes | Flash Player® 11.5 AIR® 3.5 *http://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/release-note/fp_115_air_35_release_notes.html -> Adobe Security Bulletin - Security Update available for Flash Player * http://www.adobe.com/support/security/bulletins/apsb12-24.html </blockquote> ----- There are [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?status_whiteboard_type=anywordssubstr;status_whiteboard=flash-11.3%20flash-11.4%20flash-11.5;resolution=---;query_format=advanced;bug_status=NEW;bug_status=ASSIGNED;bug_status=REOPENED Flash bugs for 11.3 11.4 and 11.5] that are still open. For example, I still have to [http://kb.mozillazine.org/Flash#Flash_Protected_Mode_issues_on_Windows_Vista_and_above disable Protected Mode in Flash] '''11.5''' to work around a "focus" bug in SeaMonkey.

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