Here are the links to the presentation:
- Audio of the presentation (actual presentation starts at 8:30)
- Slides
- Data Analysis doc
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SUMO community discussions
Here are the links to the presentation:
Modified by Michael Verdi on
Awesome Verdi! Thanks for the links. I'll check them out tonight when I get home from work.
Interesting, I will have to listen again, but some initial comments on the audio.
I am glad you posted this, it is nice to hear this sort of detail about your plans and research.
Maybe there are massive changes ahead, including changes and reversals of current policies, but as long as they are thought through carefully they should be improvements especially if based on usage evidence.
Literacy If we are to cope well with our large amount of "pre-literate" users and work to reduce ranking of SEO of Mozillazine articles I hope something will be done to enable contributors, potential contributors and the slightly more technical users also be able to obtain information, otherwise how do new contributors learn anything.
Tags are mentioned.
Who is going to do all this tagging?
Am I correct in believing you intend some new sytem where for instance users start tagging posts, I think Crystal was mentioning tagging from some sort of *controlled vocabulary* I had an idea some modern models promote allowing users freedom to choose their own self organising tags.
What is it that is going to benefit from these new tags ? solved posts, all posts, almost all articles including other products
AAQ Search precedence Evolving forum articles is interesting,
(as discussed in the closing comments,) my view on part of that is that the contributors forum may be a better place for say model answers. Look for instance at the current thread on Firefox 10 and ESR. I think we are a long way off ever being able to get that sort of quality of info in the support forum questions. Support threads tend to be a muddle and the ludicrous highlighting of solution plus first two answers is not a very good presentation method. Unfortunatly that sort of issue also exempifies the KB failings, latest firefox issues just does not keep up with events!
If we keep KB articles at a limit of say about 150 articles, as the current thinking is (due to maintenance costs) then the current idea of keeping them at the top of search results makes sense. If AAQ articles regularly come up above the KB in ranking you will get a nightmare situation in controlling content. ( My personal view is I am all for allowing KB articles to be more dynamic and easier to edit, - it is currently effectivly a private closed edit Wiki - but if AAQ are alongside or above AAQ you may as well move to a totaly open and unreviewed edit system on of the KB )
Integrating all products is an interesting concept, has anyone for instance discussed possible dovetailing with Thunderbird with our counterparts (or even made them aware of this presentation)?
I have not looked at the docuent yet iirc there was mention of it being 500+ pages.
I'm impressed, especially with the proposed product and KB landing pages that lets you filter Firefox support content by category/topics. I've always missed the ability to browse Firefox KB articles by subject area, like you still can with SeaMonkey's in-product Help "Table of Contents" (SM2.7 screenshot).
I also like the idea about linking to "forum articles". Similar ideas were mentioned here in the past, about a ""Frequently asked questions" listing pointing to support forum answers for common questions. We just started doing this in new KB articles linked from the interim Firefox Home page "Top Issues" section (e.g., Fix problems with your home page or search) and it's especially useful for emerging issues which can be answered immediately in a forum post, while the KB article editing and approval process takes much longer. In other words, two-tiered support content:
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I note the report document recommends
The categories of KB items given as examples, such as https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/category/10 will currently contain obsolete / archived articles
. Ideally, we should have about 175 articles. That will allow us to document things in enough detail while being small enough to maintain and localize.Stress the problem of needing to localise being a pressure that is limiting the number of articles.
Recommendation: The KB articles are great. It would be better to have more of them. If they can be authored faster in English, don’t wait for localization to make the articles available. Many people prefer English documentation for its accuracy (real or imagined), and eventually localization will get to them, especially if they are particularly useful.
Policy on Downgrading Firefox Versions
The study is apparently coming out firmly in favour of the need to allow and explain easy downgrading in emergency[1] situations. This is would need a very major global policy change I believe. Downgrading is generally of course discouraged. We deliberately:
So to re-iterate it appears that some of these IA changes are actually requiring policy change
[1] report
p42 Recommendation: There are lots of good reasons people need downgrades. If they are not freely available, there should be a fast way to make the case in the forum that one is needed.
p43 Recommendation: Compatibility is a big deal, and it’s not best dealt with after an irreversible update. While it’s laudable to try to eliminate update hassles by doing it in the background, if your most important plugins are left inoperable or you can’t log in to your extranet at work anymore, that’s pretty disempowering, and it can drive people to other browsers. Registering and posting in the forum to try to resolve such issues is not the way to go. It won’t scale. It would be great if people could have an undo if they find themselves in a situation where they can’t work anymore because of an upgrade surprise and the inability to log in afterward. Maybe for most people it’s not a problem, but for those who are rendered unproductive, it’s an emergency.
[1 additional]Susans report
p42 Recommendation: Many people want to know what version of Firefox they have, so they can figure out if it’s compatible with other software and websites they need to use. Make this really easy to discover on SUMO. Apparently the menu item is not always being found. They also want to know if it’s 32- or 64-bit.
Isn't that also against the new current philosophy on rapid and silent updates: there will be one version of Firefox therefore users need not bother about the version if they are using Firefox it should be uptodate
[2] our current downgrade advice, note if links followed they will lead to an article linking Firefox 3.6 only, and even that will presumably be removed shortly
link We don't want to discourage users from upgrading. Upgrading is good and warranted for 99+% of people. These issues are only a problem for a very very small proportion of our users. As it stands right now, people with the previous version can see the issues with that version, including the notes that many of them are solved by updating. For fx 8 and below I tell people to update because they are on an insecure version.
[4] Firefox 10.0.1
linkAfter considering the top issues, the release drivers have decided to ship a Firefox 10.0.1 to fix two issues:
1) A top startup crash (bug is security locked because it's a crash) .....
?? was the bug mentioned above resolved unlocked and linked to from anywhere, we still have reports of startup crashes, even on 10.0.1we are aware of hundreds of startup crashes
Keep in mind that the taxonomy is not final. So while you're right that promoting downgrades should be preceeded with a discussion about it, it's not yet set in stone that we will even do that.
Also, about the downgrading advice, I don't know if the presence of security exploits were taken into consideration.
I finally got some free time today to go through the slides, audio, and documents. First, I just want to say what an amazing job the team has done with this project. The information you've put together is extremely valuable and it validates many of my earlier suspicions. Great work! I found the discussions around search toward the end of the meeting especially interesting!
It was a bit hard following along with the audio, but from the slides it looks like the new navigation structure is solid. It caters to users who refuse to search. Since it is tag based instead of a traditional folder hierarchy, it also allows you to take multiple routes to reach the same piece of content. This type of navigation is extremely effective and intuitive. I like to think of it as faceted search without a query, but I've heard it referred to as a "guided" help experience as well. I'll probably have more feedback once I can see it in action.
Susan mentioned that you might use the same set of tags for the forums as well. I think that is absolutely the right approach. This will make it easier to pull metrics around each tag across all of our support channels, giving us a better broad spectrum view. It will also make the transition from Solved Thread > KB Article much smoother. There will be some issues aligning any external content that you index (product pages or marketing docs). If you head down that path, I think I could provide some help.
I've got a few observations and some suggestions. Many of them are search related. Hopefully it is useful.
That is most of my notes. Sorry for the novel. As you can tell, I'm pretty excited. I'm really interested in seeing the results of the card sorting exercise. That's the true test for a logical and intuitive taxonomy. Every time I do a card sort, I'm always surprised by the results!
Thanks, Matt