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ISP Blames Mozilla - No Email for 5 days Now!

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Hello,

Need To Know:

I have used Thunderbird (TBird) for many years. Recently, I moved TBird data from a Dell Inspiron 530 Win 7, to Alien Arora 1250. Unfortunately, the passwords would not go, so I copy and pasted the data for 10 email addresses. All worked well, until 5 days ago when I could not log into the ISP.

Since then, 12 ISP tech support people gave me 12 different was to fix the login problem. The 'logging in' kept trying to login. The only way to stop it is to close TB and restart it. The same happens with all 10 accounts - can't login.

I followed instructions to the letter and nothing worked. Later, a tech at ISP said they have had a lot of complaints from people with Tbird and said it's Mozilla's fault. They all said they don't support Thunderbird. They only support webmail. One even suggested I delete all my cookies. Of course I'm not going to do that.

You would not believe the amount of crazy ideas I was given.

Here is the core problem:

I used both Pop and IMAP depending on the email account. TBird was great with POP and IMAP either.

I changed all the passwords as instructed. I followed the Step-x-Step settings on the ISP web site

The ISP, Rogers, took over Shaw. Rogers, I'm told, dropped support for 3rd party email clients and requires customers to create a new email on their Webmail host. Webmail is WEBmail because it is not Email.

Testing Out TBird:

  1. On the old Win 7 TBird (Ver. 68.1.1 (32-bit)) Email works with both POP and IMAP settings.
  2. On the new Rig, Tbird (V. 147.0 (64-bit)) worked for a while.

What Happens: -- Due to the issues, I set Tbird to not:, -- Check for new messages at startup -- Check for new messages every -- Automatically download new messages -- Fetch headers only

The two ISP are Rogers Rogers and Shaw <--- just redirects to Rogers. But webmail.shaw.ca still works.

My Rig with the issues: Alienware Aurora Desktop 1250 Intel i9 Ultra Nvidia RTS 5080 Memory 32 GB DDR5 Storage 2 TB SSD + 2Tb HDD Thunderbird Version-147.0 (64-bit)

Is the ISP correct, that Thunderbird may be the core problem?

Thanks for your volunteering - where would we be without you, ~r

Hello, Need To Know: I have used Thunderbird (TBird) for many years. Recently, I moved TBird data from a Dell Inspiron 530 Win 7, to Alien Arora 1250. Unfortunately, the passwords would not go, so I copy and pasted the data for 10 email addresses. All worked well, until 5 days ago when I could not log into the ISP. Since then, 12 ISP tech support people gave me 12 different was to fix the login problem. The 'logging in' kept trying to login. The only way to stop it is to close TB and restart it. The same happens with all 10 accounts - can't login. I followed instructions to the letter and nothing worked. Later, a tech at ISP said they have had a lot of complaints from people with Tbird and said it's Mozilla's fault. They all said they don't support Thunderbird. They only support webmail. One even suggested I delete all my cookies. Of course I'm not going to do that. You would not believe the amount of crazy ideas I was given. Here is the core problem: I used both Pop and IMAP depending on the email account. TBird was great with POP and IMAP either. I changed all the passwords as instructed. I followed the Step-x-Step settings on the ISP web site The ISP, Rogers, took over Shaw. Rogers, I'm told, dropped support for 3rd party email clients and requires customers to create a new email on their Webmail host. Webmail is WEBmail because it is not Email. '''Testing Out TBird:''' # On the old Win 7 TBird (Ver. 68.1.1 (32-bit)) Email works with both POP and IMAP settings. # On the new Rig, Tbird (V. 147.0 (64-bit)) worked for a while. ''What Happens:'' -- Due to the issues, I set Tbird to '''not''':, -- Check for new messages at startup -- Check for new messages every -- Automatically download new messages -- Fetch headers only The two ISP are [https://rogers.com Rogers] Rogers and [https://shaw.ca Shaw] <--- just redirects to Rogers. But '''webmail'''.shaw.ca still works. '''My Rig with the issues:''' Alienware Aurora Desktop 1250 Intel i9 Ultra Nvidia RTS 5080 Memory 32 GB DDR5 Storage 2 TB SSD + 2Tb HDD Thunderbird Version-147.0 (64-bit) '''Is the ISP correct, that Thunderbird may be the core problem?''' Thanks for your volunteering - where would we be without you, ~r

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First, I am wading into deep water in responding, as I am NOT the super tech guru here. What I am suggesting is that you post the details that can be evaluated, such as screenshots of your incoming and outgoing server settings panes for the account, plus screenshots of the error messages seen. Volunteers need to see exactly what thunderbird has to give potentially useful suggestions. I did spot the Rogers suggested settings

https://www.rogers.com/support/internet/shaw-email/pop-and-imap-email-server-settings#imap-with-ssl-tls   but, from your post, those may not be correct. Once you respond, some suggestions may be offered. As an observation, I have never seen a situation where Thunderbird was the problem when it has been given the proper setup information, so I remain hopeful. :)  Thank you

No support from Thunderbird (except for your help, which I really do appreciate), is sporadic. Without email now day 7. Shaw/Rogers/Whoever, are really trying to push webmail managed by Yahoo. A higher level tech support from Shaw/Rogers was going to call me yesterday or today. Not! Waited both days. No call. But, everything points to Thunderbird being the problem.

I read a lot of questions here who need Thunderbird help involving Shaw/Rogers issues.

After all these years with Thunderbird - have been great. I hate to uninstall it, but without Thunderbird head kahunas fixing the problem, I will not throw myself to the trackers, stalkers ad nauseum with webmail.

I confess I did (out of dire need) use webmail for one account and found that I missed a heat specialist appointment. They charged me $50.00 for not showing up.

I feel Shaw, Rogers, have one thing as a goal, to goad, bully and shove everyone in to webmail.

C'est la vie & Caveat Emptor,

Thanks David,

ps. If I find a way to keep and am able to maintain my rights to privacy using Thunderbird, I'll let this forum know. ~r

I will see if I can get someone with more expertise to look at this.

I asked Rogers and Shaw expect people to drop all their existing login IDs (which most sites require when registering) and switch them from myname@ to myname432cv like a Gmail account. Depending what tech support I reach, each has a different answer - some say yes, some say no.

They said I should use webmail. That means, if Thunderbird has more than 1 email account (I have or had, 10 emails with Shaw. No one I know that uses Thunderbird were ever notified this would happen Ergo, and they all said yes that I would have to:

  1. Log in with email account 1@there.com check for webmail and send reply or not. Then log out of webmail #1, close browser then
  2. Open browser again, log in with 2@there.com and the same thing, login etcetera

And, to do that for all 10 accounts. 10 times a day. Some webmails need to be checked every hour, 2 every 15 minutes, some once a day.

I still don't have access to email. To me, webmail is called webmail because it's not email. I need the right to privacy... something Rogers doesn't respect. Respect is earned, not divvied up williy nilly. It's why I've stuck with Thunderbird for years than I can count. I respect Thunderbird. Info miners of webmail, don't deserve respect

Thanks for your time and hope to hear back soon - some good news for a change. : ~r

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