
Thunderbird for gmail archiving - All Mail help please
Hi, Forums - I am a new Thunderbird user based on on-line research suggesting Thunderbird as the best way to relieve gmail account with local mailbox archiving. My gmail is out of storage by end of the month and my plan was to move a bunch of old messages into local Thunderbird mailbox to clear room in the google account. I have set up Thunderbird successfully with gmail using IMAP connectivity option. Thunderbird shows same folder structure as labels in gmail and displays all messages from the oldest to newest. So then I tried the "archiving" by setting up a folder structure under Thunderbird's Local Folders. Specifically, to start with I I set up Inbox_archive and Sent_archive and used right click Move To > Local Folders > Folder name to move old messages from live ...@gmail.com tree to Local Folder tree. Since there is also an option Copy To, my understanding was that Move should be different from Copy by also removing messages from gmail and move them to Local folders. At a first glance these steps seemed to work. I see unique old messages in Thuderbird Local Folders. I don't see these messages in Thunderbird's gmail inbox/sent and I also don't see these messages when I search in on-line gmail in:inbox and in:sent. I noticed, however, that google storage size didn't budge. I moved a thousand of more messages in the same way (thinking maybe older messages were just small) and the storage still didn't decrease. I then looked around in on-line gmail and found the messages that I presumed "archived" still sitting in gmail's All Mail. This explains why the storage size didn't change. I searched on the forum and on-line and can't get a confident answer on what am I missing to actually remove the messages from gmail - ideally in the most straightforward manner in one action as a cut and paste from on-line to local folders. Are there any IMAP/account settings that I should have so that Thunderbird's "Move to" actually removes messages from on-line account? Or is there a different archiving command/strategy I need to use?
I am hesitant to do any more trial and error on my own since I already messed up my gmail by having now thousands of messages still sitting in All Mail without proper Inbox and Sent tags and, thus, would appreciate the recommendation from someone who is familiar with my use case.
Thank you.
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I did further research and tried to set up Archiving in Local Folders, per this article: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/archived-messages Even though the article claims archiving can help manage email server quote, I am observing the same results with gmail as by "Move To" - meaning that message moves from the on-line folder in Thunderbird to a designated archive folder and the label is removed for the message in gmail on-line, but... the message still persists in All Mail, thus still filling up the storage. Any help is appreciated.
To close the loop here, alas, I am giving up on Thurnderbird to use for Gmail. In general I think Thunderbird is one of the better email clients for Gmail when used with a new account or for current emails only. However, it is not suited for the off-line Gmail back up / archive use case. Besides two features above (Move To: and Archive) that don't work with Gmail, I also tried a more laborsome multi-step process of first Copy To: (local folders), Delete from on-line folders within Thunderbird UI, and then empty Trash. This was only partially successful until two actions. First I inadvertently rushed and hit Delete before doing Copy on a bunch of emails and had to fish for them in the Trash and put them back. Secondly after a small number of messages Thunderbird refused to copy more emails from on-line Sent folder to the local folder equivalent. There was no error. It simply wouldn't create selected messages in local folder. I realized it too late after deleting a bunch of Sent mail thinking it was already copied. I am not sure why this happened - maybe there's something special about Sent emails that makes them different from received emails and screws up Thunderbird by copying them into a local folder. Or maybe it is the sheer size of my bloated on-line gmail that Thunderbird 140.2 on Ubuntu is not calibrated to retrieve efficiently. Either way I ended up with a messed up on-line gmail after trial and error with the local Thunderbird client, including duplicated messages from trying to undo relocation of messages that were moved from folders but not deleted and then messages deleted while not actually copied locally, and see no point of trying to continue with Thunderbird. I have previously downloaded my Google data, including gmail, using Google Takeout, so in theory I have my gmail backed up before the Thunderbird experiment. My conclusion is that I will be deleting Thunderbird locally and just keeping my Google Takeout copy. I will then be deleting just enough of the oldest messages in live on-line Gmail directly from All Mail folder to make enough room to keep the account workable. Then at some point in the future I will do another Takeout and this is how I will have my gmail "sort of" backed up on on-going basis. I have not achieved my goal to be able to bring organized gmails by folder/label for convenient browsing off-line. So I am just left with the "blob" of Takeout data that I can theoretically use, if I really really really need to find something in the old messages. This is not ideal, but I haven't found any better way that is reliable and not very time consuming, alas.