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Who want to join me in an accessibility law suit against Mozilla and Thunderbird? The latest version of TBird is unusable.

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Who wants to join me in an accessibility law suit against Mozilla and Thunderbird? The latest version of TBird is unusable.

Put the Menu bar back at the top. Allow us to globally turn off 'sort treads into conversations' and make it the default. This is not a texting app. Stop forcing changes on us. We don't want them.

Fix the tool bar and Search Bar so it works like it did for the previous decade.

Do the developers track crap from the sidewalk into their offices by Fisherman's Warf so they think crap is the new form of coding. Just code Thunderbird into a pile of crap.

Mozilla et al only gives lip service to accessibility.

Who wants to join me in an accessibility law suit against Mozilla and Thunderbird? The latest version of TBird is unusable. Put the Menu bar back at the top. Allow us to globally turn off 'sort treads into conversations' and make it the default. This is not a texting app. Stop forcing changes on us. We don't want them. Fix the tool bar and Search Bar so it works like it did for the previous decade. Do the developers track crap from the sidewalk into their offices by Fisherman's Warf so they think crap is the new form of coding. Just code Thunderbird into a pile of crap. Mozilla et al only gives lip service to accessibility.

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I could take a hardline view and just delete your posting as off topic. You are not seeking support, so your posting is simply off topic.

But so much of what you say is simply wrong that I think I will leave it here and correct your incorrect assumptions.

Idadho said

Put the Menu bar back at the top.

See how to here https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1422908

Allow us to globally turn off 'sort treads into conversations'

See how to here https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/message-threading-thunderbird#w_changing-default-threading-mode

and make it the default.

No, despite not being overly pleased with the decision, flicking a preference in the settings is not an arduous task so I can not see the developers acceding to such a request.

This is not a texting app.

It is not an app, it is a desktop application. But it is an email application in which keeping track to the various threads of a discussion is entirely relevant. My opinion is that those that don't want to know if the message they just got is part of a larger conversation they have been having over perhaps a period of years are the ones that are treating it like a SMS texting app.

Stop forcing changes on us. We don't want them.
Some do. Not necessarily us. I agree. I should be able to change the settings so things look and work as they did before. But I am not loosing to much sleep over it. I am however filing bugs in bugzilla about issue I identify. What are you doing?
Fix the tool bar and Search Bar so it works like it did for the previous decade.
I have no idea what you are talking about. Perhaps elucidate your issues so others can understand. AS far as I am aware there have been no changed in search. It is the same dodgy somewhat broken thing it has been for decades. If it is not doing it for you. Perhaps try rebuilding the global database. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/rebuilding-global-database

I deleted you diatribe about excrement. I am not 10 and refuse play at that level. But if you insist on referencing iconic but irrelevant locations, please spell it correctly. if is "Fisherman’s Wharf"

Mozilla et al only gives lip service to accessibility.

What does accessibility have to do with all the stuff you mentioned before. I can say that Thunderbird accessibility to those with disabilities, especially those using screen readers has been improved by the move away from XUL interfaces to more web technologies based ones. I might not like how they look, but I have to acknowledge where progress has been made.

There is a user experience mailing list, have you contributed? https://thunderbird.topicbox.com/groups/ux What about offered feedback using the link on the Thunderbird help menu?

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You are clueless about accessibility. Screen readers are a very minor part of accessibility. I should not have to create a CSS file to restore prior normal functions.

Go read WCAG 2.1.

TBird won't even allow me to switch between Support Pages without deleting my comments. I wrote a complete response that was deleted when I tried to reread you babble.

Many asked about reverting back since day one. This TBird sucks.

The latest update took away most functions as a default.

Yes, an accessibility lawsuit might be needed to get more than rude lip service .

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Idadho said

Who wants to join me in an accessibility law suit against Mozilla and Thunderbird?

Before you waste any time and money on that, see https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/legal/eula/ which leads to https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/MPL/2.0/

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Mozilla, Firefox, and Thunderbird are all public accommodations that must abide by the US DOJ ADA standards of accessibility. WCAG 2.1 is the accepted standard.

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This is all off topic, so to save me having to read anymore of it, I am locking this off topic item.