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Mail.server.server(n).timeout in config resets to 29 when an incoming email arrives

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Hi. We have two gmail accounts and two bell.net accounts set up in Thunderbird 78.10.0 (32-bit), running on Windows 10 Home(version 2004 build 1904), last updated in December - haven't touched the lethal 20H2. We have just the Provider for Google calendar extension installed. We have been unable to send messages consistently for a few days.

We get: "Sending of the message failed. The message could not be sent because connecting to Outgoing server (SMTP) smtphm.sympatico.ca failed. The server may be unavailable or is refusing SMTP connections. Please verify that your Outgoing server (SMTP) settings are correct and try again."

However, if we exit Thunderbird and restart and resend right away, it will go through. In attempting to diagnose, I found the settings in the config file "Mail.server.server(n).timeout" (where n is 1, 4, or 7 in our case). When I restart, this resets to 100 which is what I think it's meant to be. As soon as an email is received, it modifies to 29. (We have Thunderbird set up to check for messages automatically every 10 minutes.) I have no idea why this happens - as far as I'm aware we haven't made any recent changes to this computer. Any ideas? I'd much appreciate it, Elizabeth

Hi. We have two gmail accounts and two bell.net accounts set up in Thunderbird 78.10.0 (32-bit), running on Windows 10 Home(version 2004 build 1904), last updated in December - haven't touched the lethal 20H2. We have just the Provider for Google calendar extension installed. We have been unable to send messages consistently for a few days. We get: "Sending of the message failed. The message could not be sent because connecting to Outgoing server (SMTP) smtphm.sympatico.ca failed. The server may be unavailable or is refusing SMTP connections. Please verify that your Outgoing server (SMTP) settings are correct and try again." However, if we exit Thunderbird and restart and resend right away, it will go through. In attempting to diagnose, I found the settings in the config file "Mail.server.server(n).timeout" (where n is 1, 4, or 7 in our case). When I restart, this resets to 100 which is what I think it's meant to be. As soon as an email is received, it modifies to 29. (We have Thunderbird set up to check for messages automatically every 10 minutes.) I have no idea why this happens - as far as I'm aware we haven't made any recent changes to this computer. Any ideas? I'd much appreciate it, Elizabeth

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I would focus on the gmail accounts, since they should work if the settings are correct, as they do for literally millions of TB users. If a gmail account doesn't work, the problem is very likely related to the network or some external factor (antivirus, VPN, router software). Use imap.gmail.com on 993 or pop.gmail.com on 995, smtp.gmail.com on 465; SSL/TLS security, OAuth2 authentication, User Name = email address for both servers. If you want to test with a new profile, create one from Help/Troubleshooting, about:profiles. The existing profile is not affected, and can be launched also from about:profiles.

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What are the settings? They should be smtphm.sympatico.ca on 587, STARTTLS, authentication = normal password, User Name = email address. What is the antivirus and its settings for scanning email? I would leave the mail.server preference at its default, as it's not the one that affects timeouts.

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Hi - thanks for responding. I guess I wasn't clear that I'm not changing the settings in the config file - it happens automatically. I have changed nothing with regard to the account settings and yes, all my settings are as you suggest. I have also made no changes to the computer's security settings. Since the problem began, the only possible change is that there was an update to Thunderbird that happened automatically. Thanks again, Elizabeth

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It frequently happens that either TB or the security app, or both, update and become incompatible. To test this, run the computer in Windows safe mode to bypass startup apps, then run TB. The security/AV app should always exclude the TB profile folder. Many of these apps interfere, and you would be better off with Windows Defender, with the TB profile added as an Exclusion in WD settings.

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I tried rebooting into Safe Mode. I can recreate the issue in Safe Mode. I'm running Norton Security 360 and I've made sure the profile folder is excluded everywhere I can exclude things. The problem recurs. I tried turning off Norton entirely and that doesn't help either.

Any other suggestions?

Is there any way to step through what's happening to see which is communicating with what that's actually causing the configuration to rewrite itself?

Thanks again for your time.

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Is there a problem sending from a gmail account, or is it just with the Sympatico account? If it's just with Sympatico, it indicates a problem with their server, instead of a TB setting. In that case, I can explain how to send from the Sympatico account through the gmail smtp.

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It happens with both type of accounts. Or perhaps I should say all three as I have two gmail accounts, one bell account using pop and one using imap. I have no problems with these accounts on other mail apps. So my concern isn't that I can't communicate, so much as I really like Thunderbird and I don't want to give up on it, you see.

Plus, it's weird.

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I would focus on the gmail accounts, since they should work if the settings are correct, as they do for literally millions of TB users. If a gmail account doesn't work, the problem is very likely related to the network or some external factor (antivirus, VPN, router software). Use imap.gmail.com on 993 or pop.gmail.com on 995, smtp.gmail.com on 465; SSL/TLS security, OAuth2 authentication, User Name = email address for both servers. If you want to test with a new profile, create one from Help/Troubleshooting, about:profiles. The existing profile is not affected, and can be launched also from about:profiles.

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I'll give it a whirl and let you know, thanks.

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Hi. I've been avoiding this because I am embarrassed to say, this problem was way more basic than I made it. I wasn't taking into account all the other systems we have knocking around the house these days and there was a conflict with the email on one of the laptops and the desktop. When I changed the port on the outgoing server on one of them the problem disappeared. It was equal parts satisfying and infuriating. Let it be a lesson that no matter how thorough one is in describing a problem there's always something left out.

I am so sorry to have troubled you. Thanks again!