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Ancient Boomer desparately needs help

My apologies, but I am not good at searching documentation and Q&A history without a glossary and ontology,

That is to say every (software) ecosystem has their own culture (tacit knowledge) and language (jargon)

I want to install mail user agents and web browsers on diverse systems, from e.g. RaspBerry Pi / RiscV etc. to desktops, laptops, on-prem hardware, and multi cloud distributed virtual platforms.

It would be nice to have a subset of the same server configurations and User Interface / Ergonomics descriptions (CSS) everywhere.

Regardless of machine architecture, kernel distribution, package manager, ad nauseum.

I used to be able to do this with trusted hash verified source or binary (reel-to-reel tape) or SHA256, e.g.), and trusted certificates. (e.g. pgp)

What we used to call tarballs for source, and RC configurations per user and per (virtual) machine.

I am SICK of Jenkins / Ansible / Dpkg / apt / yum / yaml / Nix .... as well as Snap, Flatpak, etc. etc. All in incompatible versions. I used to be able to create self-extracting shell archives that Just Worked on everything from mainframes to personal computers.

I CAN compile and run and modify ancient FORTRAN, COBOL, APL, LISP, and SnoBol without these headaches. I got paid very well to do this for Y2K in 1988-1999

Please take your time answering this screed.

My apologies, but I am not good at searching documentation and Q&A history without a glossary and ontology, That is to say every (software) ecosystem has their own culture (tacit knowledge) and language (jargon) I want to install mail user agents and web browsers on diverse systems, from e.g. RaspBerry Pi / RiscV etc. to desktops, laptops, on-prem hardware, and multi cloud distributed virtual platforms. '''It would be nice to have a subset of the same server configurations and User Interface / Ergonomics descriptions (CSS) everywhere.''' Regardless of machine architecture, kernel distribution, package manager, ad nauseum. I used to be able to do this with trusted hash verified source or binary (reel-to-reel tape) or SHA256, e.g.), and trusted certificates. (e.g. pgp) What we used to call tarballs for source, and RC configurations per user and per (virtual) machine. I am SICK of Jenkins / Ansible / Dpkg / apt / yum / yaml / Nix .... as well as Snap, Flatpak, etc. etc. All in incompatible versions. I used to be able to create self-extracting shell archives that Just Worked on everything from mainframes to personal computers. I CAN compile and run and modify ancient FORTRAN, COBOL, APL, LISP, and SnoBol without these headaches. I got paid very well to do this for Y2K in 1988-1999 Please take your time answering this screed.

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First you complain about jargon and then proceed to use it. Few outside the development community would even know what a mail user agent is. Sure the term is in the RFC, but it has never really been in the popular vernacular.

I have had to take my time to even try and understand it, and I do not. Are you wanting the source so you can compile it yourself, there is no supported build of Thunderbird for raspberry pi. for example. If so see https://developer.thunderbird.net/thunderbird-development/building-thunderbird or is this all a lament for a tarball which is simple to download.

Tarballs have only ever been widely used in the Linux community and are still distributed from the Thunderbird.net website for use on supported operating systems, along with a number of other packages for other package managers such as flatpak and SNAP for Linux and APK for Android. I just went to check in case I just missed something but the tarball was the default download on the site for Linux.

Thunderbird also has a mechanism to locate mail and server settings locally in stored files on installation/setup and has done for all of it's existence in one form or another. Either as predefined accounts/setting or as local files that detect settings for the account.

The auto configuration stuff is documented here https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:Autoconfiguration and https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:Autoconfiguration:ConfigFileFormat and https://www.bucksch.org/1/projects/thunderbird/autoconfiguration/ by the original architect of the scheme.

There is also provision for admin preconfigured settings to be used See https://enterprise.thunderbird.net/deploy/mcd-thunderbird-autoconfig

So I have tried to answer, but I really do not understand the question.

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Wubrane rozrisanje

First you complain about jargon and then proceed to use it. Few outside the development community would even know what a mail user agent is. Sure the term is in the RFC, but it has never really been in the popular vernacular.

I have had to take my time to even try and understand it, and I do not. Are you wanting the source so you can compile it yourself, there is no supported build of Thunderbird for raspberry pi. for example. If so see https://developer.thunderbird.net/thunderbird-development/building-thunderbird or is this all a lament for a tarball which is simple to download.

Tarballs have only ever been widely used in the Linux community and are still distributed from the Thunderbird.net website for use on supported operating systems, along with a number of other packages for other package managers such as flatpak and SNAP for Linux and APK for Android. I just went to check in case I just missed something but the tarball was the default download on the site for Linux.

Thunderbird also has a mechanism to locate mail and server settings locally in stored files on installation/setup and has done for all of it's existence in one form or another. Either as predefined accounts/setting or as local files that detect settings for the account.

The auto configuration stuff is documented here https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:Autoconfiguration and https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:Autoconfiguration:ConfigFileFormat and https://www.bucksch.org/1/projects/thunderbird/autoconfiguration/ by the original architect of the scheme.

There is also provision for admin preconfigured settings to be used See https://enterprise.thunderbird.net/deploy/mcd-thunderbird-autoconfig

So I have tried to answer, but I really do not understand the question.

Matt,

Thank you for patiently decoding my ramblings.

When I address a large diverse community by mail, without getting any feedback cues, I am unsure what language to use, jargon is not a necessarily a bad thing;

Now I know

    "tarball" is still in use, with the meaning I remember
     where to find the Thunderbird tarballs

and

     how to auto configure Thunderbird

That is what I was seeking !

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