Also, note that when I forward the message it comes up in plain text mode. But "Edit As New Message" comes up in html mode.

It comes up in html mode. Like I said, I have tried everything suggested in the discussion groups. This has been a long-standing problem with TBird. It needs to be fixed.

Things I have tried:

- obviously, turned off html mode on composition
- Preferences->Composition->Send Options:
    > tried both plain txt only and both
    > set plain text domains to *.*
    > Edited the config options under 
       advanced options->config editor

- tried pressing "Shift" and "Edit as New Message"

Let me know if there are other things to try.

I set the mode to "plain text only" for the preferred delivery format for this user (it was previously set to unknown". That did not fix the problem.

I also set Options/Delivery Format to plain text in the write window, but that did not change the mode - it is still in html mode.

This must be a Mac issue...

-Joe

If the message comes up in html mode in the write window, is there a way to convert it to plain text easily.

Regarding whether it is a bug, I have been using Thunderbird since forever. I have used it across operating systems. It has always has this behavior as far as I can remember.

Thanks for your help on this. It was very nice of you to spend time on this. I'll submit a bug report on it.

Was the original message sent using HTML, but you prefer to read in Plain Text.

Select email in list to read it. click on 'More' and select 'View Source' At the top will be all the headers. then it gets to the actual message areas. Is there only a Plain Text section or is there a HTML section below the Plain Text section ?

Here is the source for the message. It still comes up in html mode. I upgraded to Mac Mohave and that didn't fix anything (I didn't expect it to).

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In-Reply-To: <201df4b1-56a6-a96b-68af-dde6f5c1af2a@gmail.com> From: Sean Ferrell <sean.ferrell@temple.edu> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 15:57:58 -0400 Message-ID: <CAMhyBcQ3qwZs9G9Zk=1AZGV6zHwke99AmfFnGBrRrwTQSy3k7Q@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: (Draft) Release Announcement: NEDC TUH EEG Seizure (v1.4.0) To: Joseph Picone <joseph.picone@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000927fc105789a52f7"

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Hello everyone,

We have released v1.4.0 of TUH EEG Seizure (TUSZ). It is available at:

https://isip.piconepress.com/projects/tuh_eeg/downloads/tuh_eeg_seizure/v1.4.0/

TUSZ v1.4.0 includes improvements to the quality of annotations. In the development test dataset, annotation corrections were made on several files. Updates to the training dataset include several annotation corrections and the removal of one session.

Here is a summary of our planned releases:

v1.5.0 (20181115): The expansion of the training dataset that will now include more than 4,500 annotation files. v1.6.0 (20181215): An additional 1,000 annotation files included in the training dataset, resulting in over 5,500 files.

As always, don't hesitate to contact us with your questions or bug reports.

Best regards,

Sean Ferrell NEDC Data Resources Development Manager The Neural Engineering Data Consortium Temple University College of Engineering, ENGR 602 1947 North 12th Street Philadelphia, PA 19122-6018 Tel: 215-204-4841 Fax: 215-204-5960 Email: sean.ferrell@temple.edu

Given all you have done with setting up not to compose in html in your account settings, I'm wondering if a default value is superceding things. Try the following...

Check settings:

• Thunderbird > Preferences > Advanced > General tab
• click on 'Config Editor' it will say be carefull :)
• in top search type: compose

To enforce Plain Text as default, look for these lines. If the Value = 'true', then double click on the line to toggle to 'False'

• mail.html_compose
• mail.identity.default.compose_html

• Close window - top right X
• click on OK to save changes to Preferences.

Close and reopen Thunderbird. Test a 'Edit as new message'

Please report back on results.

I did this a while ago. A screenshot is attached. It is not helping.

One this I noticed is that I only have entries for id2 and id3, not id1. I have been using TBird forever, so don't ask me how it got this way.

The original message is in HTML. so it edits as new in HTML.

Duh!

But when I edit it, and I have set my settings to plain text mode, it should come up in plain text mode (IMHO).

Also, there is no easy way to convert a message in the composition window to plain text when it is in HTML.

Further, when I forward the message, it comes up in plain text mode.

So the behavior is inconsistent and needs to be fixed.

picone said

Duh! But when I edit it, and I have set my settings to plain text mode, it should come up in plain text mode (IMHO).

That is not how it works. despite your opinion. You are asking to edit as new a HTML document. and expecting an explicit conversion of the document to text.

Also, there is no easy way to convert a message in the composition window to plain text when it is in HTML.

If your settings are text then there will be nothing to change, except when you are editing HTML mail.

Further, when I forward the message, it comes up in plain text mode.

Forward is not edit as new. When you click on a word document file in the file system to you expect your operating system to open the file in text editor fully converted to text? Most people would expect the program used to create it to open looking exactly as the last time it was edited.

So the behavior is inconsistent and needs to be fixed.

It is perhaps a little inconsistent. It is possible it should be adjusted that forward also retains the original format.

Personally I think we already have the best of both worlds. Instead of edit as new use the appropriate keyboard commands to select all, copy and then paste text only. I do not use expensive computer equipment so i have no idea what the mac commands for those things are.

In windows it would be Ctrl+A, ctrl+C and Ctrl+Shift+V, in sequence. The latter being in a new email.

I appreciate the feedback, but as someone who has been using email for over 40 years, I disagree with your statement about the best of both worlds.

I want a way to set my email to compose in plain text. Edit as New should adopt my plain text settings and convert the document, not edit it as html.

I believe this is consistent with the intention of a user and more user-friendly than the current situation. The problem with forwarding or copy and pasting the text is you have to rebuild the lists of addressees, subject line, etc.

I handle a lot of email (typically several hundred messages per day) so even though this might seem like a small thing, it is a big thing for me.

Matt said

The original message is in HTML. so it edits as new in HTML.

Why do you say that, Matt? I can't see any indication of HTML content in the message source offered by the OP.

I have been reading up on the releases to see what modifications have been incorporated. This may be of interest to you.

Release notes for version 60.0 https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/60.0/releasenotes/ Changed: "Edit As New Message" will now use the account's default compose format, either HTML or plain text ignoring the format of the message. Plain text messages will be converted to HTML and vice versa. Then using the modifier, the format choice will be reverted.

The plain text to HTML conversion has been improved where such a conversion is necessary for "Edit As New Message" or when the shift modifier is used for "Edit Draft" or "New Message from Template".

Current version is 60.2.1 https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/all/

I am running 52.9.1. I have auto update turned on. Shouldn't I have been upgraded to v60.2.0 by now?

You mention you are using a MAC, but I'm not sure what version etc to ensure updating is possible. The info below is copied from the release data. If you view Help > About Thunderbird, does it offer the option to update?

Thunderbird version 60.2.1 provides an automatic update from Thunderbird version 52. Note that Thunderbird version 60.1.0 and 60.2.0 were skipped. If you have installed Lightning, Thunderbird's Calendar add-on, it will automatically be updated to match the new version of Thunderbird. Refer to this Calendar troubleshooting article in case of problems.

System Requirements: • Window: Windows 7, Windows Server 2008 R2 or later • Mac: Mac OS X 10.9 or later • Linux: GTK+ 3.4 or higher. Specific details below: Mac Operating Systems

• Mac OS X 10.9
• Mac OS X 10.10
• Mac OS X 10.11
• Mac OS X 10.12
• Mac OS X 10.13

Recommended Hardware

• Macintosh computer with an Intel x86 processor
• 512 MB RAM
• 200 MB hard drive space

Thunderbird says it is up to date with v52.9. See the attached screenshot.

Please advise. I'd love to get upgraded to the new version that fixes this issue.

I normally recommend this page when a user wants to force an upgrade:

https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/all/

I just downloaded the Mac version from there and it gave me TB60.2.1. Be aware that many of your add-ons may stop working with this version.

All current and past versions (and even some un-released beta versions) can be found here:

https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/

This is handy if you need to revert an upgrade.