There will be new badges rolling out soon, and if you have additional ideas for badges (I've heard from some of you already - thanks!), do let me know here.
They will be extending the current l10n badge (for 10 contributions in 2015) to additional levels:
SUMO l10n Specialist (1 star)
This badge is awarded to contributors with 30 approved translations edits during 201X.
SUMO l10n Expert (2 stars)
This badge is awarded to contributors with 50 approved translations edits during 201X.
SUMO l10n Veteran (3 stars)
This badge is awarded to contributors with 70 approved translations edits during 201X.
Hey there, l10ns!
There will be new badges rolling out soon, and if you have additional ideas for badges (I've heard from some of you already - thanks!), do let me know here.
In the meantime, the new badges are going to be:
* [http://ffp4g1ylyit3jdyti1hqcvtb-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/sumo/files/2015/09/l10n_2015_specialist.png Specialist]
* [http://ffp4g1ylyit3jdyti1hqcvtb-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/sumo/files/2015/09/l10n_2015_expert.png Expert]
* [http://ffp4g1ylyit3jdyti1hqcvtb-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/sumo/files/2015/09/l10n_2015_veteran.png Veteran]
They will be extending the current l10n badge (for 10 contributions in 2015) to additional levels:
SUMO l10n Specialist (1 star)
This badge is awarded to contributors with 30 approved translations edits during 201X.
SUMO l10n Expert (2 stars)
This badge is awarded to contributors with 50 approved translations edits during 201X.
SUMO l10n Veteran (3 stars)
This badge is awarded to contributors with 70 approved translations edits during 201X.
Hello, probably my opinion will not be so popular, but I think these badges should be only earned by "normal" users that localize articles and not locale leaders.
What I am trying to say is that locale leaders are meant to be already expert in SUMO localization dynamics and so they should automatically earn "Expert" badge for maintaining their KB each year (and no other localization badge).
They could, of course, deserve other badge for editing activities on the en-us KB.
Thanks for your attention :)
Hello, probably my opinion will not be so popular, but I think these badges should be only earned by "normal" users that localize articles and not locale leaders.
What I am trying to say is that locale leaders are meant to be already expert in SUMO localization dynamics and so they should automatically earn "Expert" badge for maintaining their KB each year (and no other localization badge).
They could, of course, deserve other badge for editing activities on the en-us KB.
Thanks for your attention :)
After some consideration I have edited my post to avoid misunderstandings.
Let me throw a few personal thoughts into the discussion:
l out myself as one of the people not liking a classification be named "Veteran". I would like to stress that I would not be personally offended by being called/titled a veteran, my uneasiness and dislike are of general nature for these main reasons:
- Although I'm well aware of the original/basic meaning of the word (generally a person with great experience in a specific job or field) it still has a military ring to my ears.
- It also implies to me kind of not being active in business anymore, like being out of service. Maybe the everyday use of the word veteran is different in the States and Europe.
- The association of "old" is - unfortunately though - not far away, too.
I also wonder about the new 30-50-70 steps. If there really need to be 3 more levels to award people why not make it 25-50-75 steps? Unless there are historic reasons which I am not aware of and which should not be touched, of course.
If I'm not mistaken there will be 4 levels in the future, since the 10 contribution badge is kept ... to quote Vesper: They will be extending the current l10n badge (for 10 contributions in 2015) to additional levels ...
and if I understand it correctly, the 10 contribution badge will have no name and no star. Won't this make those contributors with a number up to 24 contributions feel like being second-class contributors? Either stars and names for all or none.
After some consideration I have edited my post to avoid misunderstandings.
Let me throw a few personal thoughts into the discussion:
l out myself as one of the people not liking a classification be named "Veteran". I would like to stress that I would not be personally offended by being called/titled a veteran, my uneasiness and dislike are of general nature for these main reasons:
- Although I'm well aware of the original/basic meaning of the word (generally a person with great experience in a specific job or field) it still has a military ring to my ears.
- It also implies to me kind of not being active in business anymore, like being out of service. Maybe the everyday use of the word veteran is different in the States and Europe.
- The association of "old" is - unfortunately though - not far away, too.
I also wonder about the new 30-50-70 steps. If there really need to be 3 more levels to award people why not make it 25-50-75 steps? Unless there are historic reasons which I am not aware of and which should not be touched, of course.
If I'm not mistaken there will be 4 levels in the future, since the 10 contribution badge is kept ... to quote Vesper: They will be extending the current l10n badge (for 10 contributions in 2015) to additional levels ...
and if I understand it correctly, the 10 contribution badge will have no name and no star. Won't this make those contributors with a number up to 24 contributions feel like being second-class contributors? Either stars and names for all or none.
Thank you for the feedback! That's what I love about this community - when you think something does not work, you say it loud and clear.
To answer the points you all presented (in reading order):
Badges only for certain types of contributions by certain types of contributors - this may be difficult to code, since the badges engine is a very simple one, and if we try to make it more complex, it may backfire. I will table this suggestion for now.
Badges for Locale Leaders - yes, that's definitely a good idea that should be explored. Any ideas on how the badge would look like?
Badge accumulation - yes, the badges would accumulate, as we don't have a "badge upgrading" mechanism in the badge engine
Badge naming - the badges will have names we agree on - if "Experts" and "Veterans" don't sound good for any reason, let's come up with alternatives! Would "Bronze", "Silver", "Gold", "Platinum", and "Diamond" be more neutral?
Badge grading - 10/30/50/70 has a gradation of 20 with the initial badge step made 50% "shorter" for easier achievement. What would be the reasons behind 10/25/50/75?
Current vs new badges - the current badge will be edited (visually), to fit into the extended set a bit better, once we agree on the naming and grading, both of which will inform the visual design.
What other badges would you like to see?
One concern is that if we have badges only for quantity of contributions, the quality may become less important to contributors. To counter this, we may have badges awarded by the Locale Leaders to individual contributors, for good quality work. Something like "Locale Seal of Approval" or similar. Thoughts?
Keep the feedback coming!
Thank you for the feedback! That's what I love about this community - when you think something does not work, you say it loud and clear.
To answer the points you all presented (in reading order):
* Badges only for certain types of contributions by certain types of contributors - this may be difficult to code, since the badges engine is a very simple one, and if we try to make it more complex, it may backfire. I will table this suggestion for now.
* Badges for Locale Leaders - yes, that's definitely a good idea that should be explored. Any ideas on how the badge would look like?
* Badge accumulation - yes, the badges would accumulate, as we don't have a "badge upgrading" mechanism in the badge engine
* Badge naming - the badges will have names we agree on - if "Experts" and "Veterans" don't sound good for any reason, let's come up with alternatives! Would "Bronze", "Silver", "Gold", "Platinum", and "Diamond" be more neutral?
* Badge grading - 10/30/50/70 has a gradation of 20 with the initial badge step made 50% "shorter" for easier achievement. What would be the reasons behind 10/25/50/75?
* Current vs new badges - the current badge will be edited (visually), to fit into the extended set a bit better, once we agree on the naming and grading, both of which will inform the visual design.
What other badges would you like to see?
One concern is that if we have badges only for quantity of contributions, the quality may become less important to contributors. To counter this, we may have badges awarded by the Locale Leaders to individual contributors, for good quality work. Something like "Locale Seal of Approval" or similar. Thoughts?
Keep the feedback coming!
I agree that the Specialist/Expert/Veteran (or however they'll be named) badges should only be awarded to editors. Reviewers and Locale Leaders should get separate badges - for "10 reviews" or something similar?
One concern is that if we have badges only for quantity of contributions, the quality may become less important to contributors.
Well, if a contribution is not really quality, the reviewer usually makes edits (corrects typos, rewords it if needed...) and then approves his revision (like here). Editors don't get poins for such revisions.
I agree that the Specialist/Expert/Veteran (or however they'll be named) badges should only be awarded to editors. Reviewers and Locale Leaders should get separate badges - for "10 reviews" or something similar?
''vesper [[#post-66935|said]]''
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* Badge accumulation - yes, the badges would accumulate, as we don't have a "badge upgrading" mechanism in the badge engine
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I agree that the higher badge should replace the older one. It would be a real mess if the badges accumulated.
''vesper [[#post-66935|said]]''
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One concern is that if we have badges only for quantity of contributions, the quality may become less important to contributors.
</blockquote>
Well, if a contribution is not really quality, the reviewer usually makes edits (corrects typos, rewords it if needed...) and then approves his revision ([https://support.mozilla.org/sl/kb/firefox-se-sesuva-poizvedba-za-podporo/history like here]). Editors don't get poins for such revisions.
Sorry folks, my mouse was playing up and sent this when it was not intended. Hence the edit:
Vesper,
I just realized that I had not sent an answer yet, and since I had myself exposed already, I might as well continue ...
Badges for Locale Leaders - yes, I support this idea
Badge accumulation -uh, I'm not very keen on this, since I also think it will clutter up the page. But if "badge upgrading" is not possible we'll have to live with it. Unless a clever "somebody" can hack the poor badge engine and better it
Badge naming - I personally would be perfectly happy with stars only (one star, two stars, three stars etc.), but I can imagine that most people would find it better/nicer to have a name attached. So if it should be names, I'd go along with your Bronze, Silver, Gold or anything else which sounds halfway neutral
Badge grading - my first impression was that the 10 edit badge would disappear, therefore I came up with the steps 25-50-75 and maybe 100. The reason for these steps: as in anniversaries and celebrations you celebrate 25-50-75-100. Ok, it would have a graduation of 25 instead of 20, but I thought 25-50-75 is more common. As i said, it was just an idea and the starting 10 would not fit in. Although editors are flexible ...
An afterthought: if you are concerned about the quantity of contributions outweighing the quality - if the editing system would allow an extra box for very minor changes, like tiny grammar edits like commas, mixed letters, simple spelling mistakes and other minorities, these edits could be neglected by counting the number of edits for the badges. Unless this is too complicated for the system, too. Just another idea.
That's all
Sorry folks, my mouse was playing up and sent this when it was not intended. Hence the edit:
Vesper,
I just realized that I had not sent an answer yet, and since I had myself exposed already, I might as well continue ...
* Badges for Locale Leaders - yes, I support this idea
* Badge accumulation -uh, I'm not very keen on this, since I also think it will clutter up the page. But if "badge upgrading" is not possible we'll have to live with it. Unless a clever "somebody" can hack the poor badge engine and better it
* Badge naming - I personally would be perfectly happy with stars only (one star, two stars, three stars etc.), but I can imagine that most people would find it better/nicer to have a name attached. So if it should be names, I'd go along with your Bronze, Silver, Gold or anything else which sounds halfway neutral
* Badge grading - my first impression was that the 10 edit badge would disappear, therefore I came up with the steps 25-50-75 and maybe 100. The reason for these steps: as in anniversaries and celebrations you celebrate 25-50-75-100. Ok, it would have a graduation of 25 instead of 20, but I thought 25-50-75 is more common. As i said, it was just an idea and the starting 10 would not fit in. Although editors are flexible ...
An afterthought: if you are concerned about the quantity of contributions outweighing the quality - if the editing system would allow an extra box for very minor changes, like tiny grammar edits like commas, mixed letters, simple spelling mistakes and other minorities, these edits could be neglected by counting the number of edits for the badges. Unless this is too complicated for the system, too. Just another idea.
That's all
Grading: due to popular demand ;-) we'll go for 25-50-75-100. The 10 badge will probably no longer be awarded in 2016 (we're taking the game to a higher level :-))
Naming: Bronze, Silver, Gold, and Platinum it is, then! Unless someone comes up with a much cooler idea, L10n in 2016 goes olympic for now ;-)
Accumulation: This is something that has to be sorted on the platform side, so we'll first make the badges stack, and then we'll see how to make them update themselves.
Locale Leaders / Reviewers: They should still receive badges for edits, but will also receive additional badges for reviews (with grading) and leading locales (without any grading) - badge design in progress!
Keep the feedback coming!
*'''Grading:''' due to popular demand ;-) we'll go for 25-50-75-100. The 10 badge will probably no longer be awarded in 2016 (we're taking the game to a higher level :-))
*'''Naming:''' Bronze, Silver, Gold, and Platinum it is, then! Unless someone comes up with a much cooler idea, L10n in 2016 goes olympic for now ;-)
*'''Accumulation:''' This is something that has to be sorted on the platform side, so we'll first make the badges stack, and then we'll see how to make them update themselves.
*'''Locale Leaders / Reviewers:''' They should still receive badges for edits, but will also receive additional badges for reviews (with grading) and leading locales (without any grading) - badge design in progress!
Keep the feedback coming!
"if the editing system would allow an extra box for very minor changes" yes please, like the "minor edit" for wiki.mozilla.org right? great idea Artist!
Could somebody please file a bug so we don't lose this idea (wouldn't be surprised if there already is a bug!)
...Roland
"if the editing system would allow an extra box for very minor changes" yes please, like the "minor edit" for wiki.mozilla.org right? great idea Artist!
Could somebody please file a bug so we don't lose this idea (wouldn't be surprised if there already is a bug!)
...Roland
"if the editing system would allow an extra box for very minor changes" yes please, like the "minor edit" for wiki.mozilla.org right? great idea Artist!
Could somebody please file a bug so we don't lose this idea (wouldn't be surprised if there already is a bug!)
...Roland
I'll talk about the practicality and application of this idea with Joni.
As for the badges, bugs will be filed next week, since I think we received all the feedback we could here.
Cheers!
''Roland Tanglao [[#post-67140|said]]''
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"if the editing system would allow an extra box for very minor changes" yes please, like the "minor edit" for wiki.mozilla.org right? great idea Artist!
Could somebody please file a bug so we don't lose this idea (wouldn't be surprised if there already is a bug!)
...Roland
</blockquote>
I'll talk about the practicality and application of this idea with Joni.
As for the badges, bugs will be filed next week, since I think we received all the feedback we could here.
Cheers!
