SUMO community discussions

Open Discussion - Contributor forums (Kitsune) / Contributor forums (Discourse)?

  1. Hey there!

    It's that time of the year again when we put up ideas that may sound interesting, exciting, or simply controversial - but we're curious to hear what you think and feel about them.

    And they are only ideas, so please don't worry - we are not planning to do anything drastic without your knowledge.

    If the Support Community was to move all of https://support.mozilla.org/forums/contributors to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/c/sumo ...

    What do you think would be lost?

    What do you think would be gained?

    I look forward to your thoughts and opinions!

    Tasukete, on behalf of the SUMO Admins

    Hey there! It's that time of the year again when we put up ideas that may sound interesting, exciting, or simply controversial - but we're curious to hear what you think and feel about them. And they are only ideas, so please don't worry - we are not planning to do anything drastic without your knowledge. '''If the Support Community was to move all of https://support.mozilla.org/forums/contributors to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/c/sumo ...''' ''What do you think would be lost?'' ''What do you think would be gained?'' I look forward to your thoughts and opinions! Tasukete, on behalf of the SUMO Admins
  2. I think it's a bad idea. I've had problems logging in to discourse and so have others. See: http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=3041023 Logging into mozilla discourse

    I think it's a bad idea. I've had problems logging in to discourse and so have others. See: http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=3041023 Logging into mozilla discourse
  3. I would miss the link popup that makes it easy to refer to KB articles. On the other hand, I don't use it that often...

    The editors are quite different. I already post on Discourse, so I'm becoming more familiar with its syntax, but it's yet another thing people have to overcome.

    I would miss the link popup that makes it easy to refer to KB articles. On the other hand, I don't use it that often... The editors are quite different. I already post on Discourse, so I'm becoming more familiar with its syntax, but it's ''yet another thing'' people have to overcome.
  4. I also think it's a bad idea. SUMO is where we (the contributors) work so I think it's by far the most convenient place for us for SUMO-related discussions. For one thing, every SUMO contributor would have to create an additional account to post a simple question or suggestion (I'm a Mozillian since 2013 and still have had no need to sign up for Discourse; let alone the new contributors). And things that need to reach the wider community can still be easily crossposted at Discourse.

    I also think it's a bad idea. SUMO is where we (the contributors) work so I think it's by far the most convenient place for us for SUMO-related discussions. For one thing, every SUMO contributor would have to create an additional account to post a simple question or suggestion (I'm a Mozillian since 2013 and still have had no need to sign up for Discourse; let alone the new contributors). And things that need to reach the wider community can still be easily crossposted at Discourse.
  5. IMO, a bad idea. I have been having problems with the discourse site, too. So much trouble that I have given up on using that discourse website altogether. (How many times was the registration and login scheme changed since Discourse went live?) Reddit works fine for me for Add-on questions, although it sucks in its own way as far as their software goes.


    I wonder why Mozilla makes the entry barrier to a user getting support so high? Why not use "real" forum software and not use this pseudo social networking software such as what Discourse abns SUMO uses? Or maybe my perception is skewed due to my age? (College age when the conflict in VietNam was heating up and I enlisted in the Reserves to avoid the draft and probably getting sent there.)

    But seeing that Mozilla is providing support for Firefox on a few social media web sites, and on Reddit, how about a place for Firefox users who feel more comfortable in a traditional forum setting? Like for Firefox users who first used the internet in the last century; like about the time that Netscape spun off the Mozilla open source schema.

    And why can't this forum use a Firefox Account registration for users who come here the first time? I am well aware of the history of all the various separate registration schemes that Mozilla has had for the various Mozilla websites, but I surely expected that Mozilla Persona would be enabled for all Mozilla sometime in 2011. No wonder Persona never gained traction and users, when Mozilla never bother to enable it on their own websites until close to deciding to shut Persona down altogether. Mozilla comes up with all these good ideas and gets them working, and then lets them wither and die. Then it moves on to something new; rinse and repeat. Its like a company with ADHD.

    Sorry for the rant, but this topic is a sensitive point for me. It sometimes seems that I have spent the better part of the last 11 years of my life providing support for Firefox users, while Mozilla has managed to provide little to no support for our (we support contributors) endeavors as far as good software we can use and making it easier for new users to get to where they can ask a question. It's just too damn hard to get support here for first time users and even for those users who don't use this forum on a regular basis. The bar for entry to AAQ is way too high and IMO by the time the new user gets to where they can actually "present their case" they are so damn frustrated that they are so angry that they "hit us with both barrels".

    Ed

    IMO, a bad idea. I have been having problems with the discourse site, too. So much trouble that I have given up on using that discourse website altogether. (How many times was the registration and login scheme changed since Discourse went live?) Reddit works fine for me for Add-on questions, although it sucks in its own way as far as their software goes. ------------------------- I wonder why Mozilla makes the entry barrier to a user getting support so high? Why not use "real" forum software and not use this pseudo social networking software such as what Discourse abns SUMO uses? Or maybe my perception is skewed due to my age? (College age when the conflict in VietNam was heating up and I enlisted in the Reserves to avoid the draft and probably getting sent there.) But seeing that Mozilla is providing support for Firefox on a few social media web sites, and on Reddit, how about a place for Firefox users who feel more comfortable in a traditional forum setting? Like for Firefox users who first used the internet in the last century; like about the time that Netscape spun off the Mozilla open source schema. And why can't this forum use a Firefox Account registration for users who come here the first time? I am well aware of the history of all the various separate registration schemes that Mozilla has had for the various Mozilla websites, but I surely expected that Mozilla Persona would be enabled for all Mozilla sometime in 2011. No wonder Persona never gained traction and users, when Mozilla never bother to enable it on their own websites until close to deciding to shut Persona down altogether. Mozilla comes up with all these good ideas and gets them working, and then lets them wither and die. Then it moves on to something new; rinse and repeat. Its like a company with ADHD. Sorry for the rant, but this topic is a sensitive point for me. It sometimes seems that I have spent the better part of the last 11 years of my life providing support for Firefox users, while Mozilla has managed to provide little to no support for our (we support contributors) endeavors as far as good software we can use and making it easier for new users to get to where they can ask a question. It's just too damn hard to get support here for first time users and even for those users who don't use this forum on a regular basis. The bar for entry to AAQ is way too high and IMO by the time the new user gets to where they can actually "present their case" they are so damn frustrated that they are so angry that they "hit us with both barrels". Ed
  6. Hi Tasukete

    I think that moving the contributor internal forums to Discourse would be a good idea.

    It would reduce some of the overhead on Kitsune and move our community forum into the same space as other Mozilla community forums which would increae the visibility of Mozilla Support.

    Discourse supports various levels of permission, so the "moderator" forum could still operate as such.

    Hi Tasukete I think that moving the contributor internal forums to Discourse would be a good idea. It would reduce some of the overhead on Kitsune and move our community forum into the same space as other Mozilla community forums which would increae the visibility of Mozilla Support. Discourse supports various levels of permission, so the "moderator" forum could still operate as such.
  7. Seburo said

    I think that moving the contributor internal forums to Discourse would be a good idea. <snip> Discourse supports various levels of permission, so the "moderator" forum could still operate as such.

    Tasukete said

    'If the Support Community was to move all of https://support.mozilla.org/forums/contributors to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/c/sumo ...

    As far as I know, only this forum, /forums/contributors/ which is named "SUMO community discussions" in the contributor /forums list, is being discussed. The Moderator forum, /forums/forum-moderators and other contributor forums (such as KB articles /forums/knowledge-base-articles and L10n /forums/l10n-forum) were never mentioned. The discussion forums for individual KB articles, for example, the ones listed in /kb/all/discussions were also never mentioned.

    Can an admin clear that up?

    ''Seburo [[#post-74644|said]]'' <blockquote> I think that moving the contributor internal forums to Discourse would be a good idea. <snip> Discourse supports various levels of permission, so the "moderator" forum could still operate as such. </blockquote> ''Tasukete [[#post-74618|said]]'' <blockquote> '''If the Support Community was to move all of https://support.mozilla.org/forums/contributors to https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/c/sumo ...'' </blockquote> As far as I know, only this forum, [/forums/contributors/] which is named "SUMO community discussions" in the contributor [/forums] list, is being discussed. The Moderator forum, [/forums/forum-moderators] and other contributor forums (such as KB articles [/forums/knowledge-base-articles] and L10n [/forums/l10n-forum]) were never mentioned. The discussion forums for individual KB articles, for example, the ones listed in [/kb/all/discussions] were also never mentioned. Can an admin clear that up?

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  8. Thanks to everyone for sharing their thoughts and ideas so far - I really appreciate that!

    We will address the questions and concerns raised in this thread during the upcoming Community meeting.

    AliceWyman said

    As far as I know, only this forum, /forums/contributors/ which is named "SUMO community discussions" in the contributor /forums list, is being discussed. The Moderator forum, /forums/forum-moderators and other contributor forums (such as KB articles /forums/knowledge-base-articles and L10n /forums/l10n-forum) were never mentioned. The discussion forums for individual KB articles, for example, the ones listed in /kb/all/discussions were also never mentioned. Can an admin clear that up?

    I would like to share my two admin eurocents on this bit:

    • /forums/contributors/ on Discourse could make Support more transparent and easier to understand to Mozillians usually not involved in it.
    • /forums/forum-moderators could probably be best kept close to the moderated (Support, user-facing) forums. Moderating the community discussion (mentioned above) could happen on Discourse
    • /forums/knowledge-base-articles & /forums/l10n-forum could probably exist in either location without affecting any workflows?
    • forums for individual KB articles could stay with the articles
    Thanks to everyone for sharing their thoughts and ideas so far - I really appreciate that! We will address the questions and concerns raised in this thread during the upcoming Community meeting. ''AliceWyman [[#post-74645|said]]'' <blockquote> As far as I know, only this forum, [/forums/contributors/] which is named "SUMO community discussions" in the contributor [/forums] list, is being discussed. The Moderator forum, [/forums/forum-moderators] and other contributor forums (such as KB articles [/forums/knowledge-base-articles] and L10n [/forums/l10n-forum]) were never mentioned. The discussion forums for individual KB articles, for example, the ones listed in [/kb/all/discussions] were also never mentioned. Can an admin clear that up? </blockquote> I would like to share my two admin eurocents on this bit: * [/forums/contributors/] on Discourse could make Support more transparent and easier to understand to Mozillians usually not involved in it. * [/forums/forum-moderators] could probably be best kept close to the moderated (Support, user-facing) forums. Moderating the community discussion (mentioned above) could happen on Discourse * [/forums/knowledge-base-articles] & [/forums/l10n-forum] could probably exist in either location without affecting any workflows? * forums for individual KB articles could stay with the articles
  9. vesper said

    I would like to share my two admin eurocents on this bit:
    • /forums/contributors/ on Discourse could make Support more transparent and easier to understand to Mozillians usually not involved in it.
    • /forums/forum-moderators could probably be best kept close to the moderated (Support, user-facing) forums. Moderating the community discussion (mentioned above) could happen on Discourse
    • /forums/knowledge-base-articles & /forums/l10n-forum could probably exist in either location without affecting any workflows?
    • forums for individual KB articles could stay with the articles

    I could see that, but as I mentioned using Discourse isn't in the cards for me - /forums/contributors provides no benefit to me . I absolutely refuse to create any more login accounts for Firefox related websites. And trying to use a Google+ or GitHub login just wants me to create yet another new Mozilla account.

    The line is drawn in the sand - mainly due the lack of cohesiveness of Mozilla web sites and services in total. Once I thought that Persona was going to "for all the web", but Mozilla never saw fit to include SUMO in that "all the web". Sure Persona went no where, what is to be expected when the source doesn't fully embrace or use the product that they build? Build so much brilliant software and drop it when the going gets tough, when little effort was expended to promote the various projects.

    ''vesper [[#post-74652|said]]'' <blockquote> I would like to share my two admin eurocents on this bit: * [/forums/contributors/] on Discourse could make Support more transparent and easier to understand to Mozillians usually not involved in it. * [/forums/forum-moderators] could probably be best kept close to the moderated (Support, user-facing) forums. Moderating the community discussion (mentioned above) could happen on Discourse * [/forums/knowledge-base-articles] & [/forums/l10n-forum] could probably exist in either location without affecting any workflows? * forums for individual KB articles could stay with the articles </blockquote> I could see that, but as I mentioned using Discourse isn't in the cards for me - /forums/contributors provides no benefit to me . I absolutely refuse to create any more login accounts for Firefox related websites. And trying to use a Google+ or GitHub login just wants me to create yet another new Mozilla account. The line is drawn in the sand - mainly due the lack of cohesiveness of Mozilla web sites and services in total. Once I thought that Persona was going to "for all the web", but Mozilla never saw fit to include SUMO in that "all the web". Sure Persona went no where, what is to be expected when the source doesn't fully embrace or use the product that they build? Build so much brilliant software and drop it when the going gets tough, when little effort was expended to promote the various projects.
  10. Make it more complicated for everyone, so complicated we will not bother with it, it is already stashed to far away to get looked at as often as it should by me.

    By moving things you go against peoples nature of convenience.

    Make it more complicated for everyone, so complicated we will not bother with it, it is already stashed to far away to get looked at as often as it should by me. By moving things you go against peoples nature of convenience.