Firefox Support Forum

Hi,

I have managed to figure out ways to remove items from context menus from various pages here and around the web however it always seems to leave an additional unwanted separator line that I cannot find how to get rid of.

There are a number of additional lines I am looking to remove but the current one that is annoying me (based on most usage) is the additional line between 'Copy Link Without Site Tracking' and Search which is an add-on - Simple Context Search - https://tinyurl.com/yck5c (as shown in the attachment).

I did have 'search google for...' directly above the 'Search for Google' option which I removed.

I also removed 'Copy Link' which was above the 'Copy Link Without Site Tracking' option which I also removed.

Hope the above makes sense and any help greatfully appreciated.

Thank you

Greg

I frequently attempt to open news articles or other pages requiring form fill-in but instead get a page that advises me to disable an adblocker. I have no idea what Firefox (yes, up-to-date) uses or how I could set it to allow pop-ups for a particular site. Help!

Mac OS 14.4.1

Firefox crashed and now will not open without crashing. I have trashed it and re-installed but still getting this error and cannot use the application. It will not open in Trouble Shoot mode. I even removed all files in the Library/Application Support

This is the problem report it shows:

Translated Report (Full Report Below)

Process: firefox [9798] Path: /Applications/Firefox.app/Contents/MacOS/firefox Identifier: org.mozilla.firefox Version: 125.0.1 (12524.4.16) Code Type: ARM-64 (Native) Parent Process: launchd [1] User ID: 502

Date/Time: 2024-04-17 12:12:16.9196 -0400 OS Version: macOS 14.4.1 (23E224) Report Version: 12 Anonymous UUID: CD54B57E-E9B1-9010-2F5A-CABA25C40962

Time Awake Since Boot: 6100 seconds

System Integrity Protection: enabled

Crashed Thread: 0

Exception Type: EXC_CRASH (SIGABRT) Exception Codes: 0x0000000000000000, 0x0000000000000000

Termination Reason: Namespace DYLD, Code 1 Library missing Library not loaded: @rpath/libmozglue.dylib Referenced from: <A1116842-233E-318A-92DD-E4F0A0FEF912> /Applications/Firefox.app/Contents/MacOS/firefox Reason: tried: '/Applications/Firefox.app/Contents/MacOS/libmozglue.dylib' (mmap(size=0x169520) failed with errno=1), '/Applications/Firefox.app/Contents/MacOS/libmozglue.dylib' (mmap(size=0x169520) failed with errno=1) (terminated at launch; ignore backtrace)

Thread 0 Crashed: 0 dyld 0x18dcada50 __abort_with_payload + 8 1 dyld 0x18dcb8628 abort_with_payload_wrapper_internal + 104 2 dyld 0x18dcb865c abort_with_payload + 16 3 dyld 0x18dc4a6b0 dyld4::halt(char const*, dyld4::StructuredError const*) + 304 4 dyld 0x18dc47258 dyld4::prepare(dyld4::APIs&, dyld3::MachOAnalyzer const*) + 3888 5 dyld 0x18dc45edc start + 1844

Thread 0 crashed with ARM Thread State (64-bit):

   x0: 0x0000000000000006   x1: 0x0000000000000001   x2: 0x000000016d0f2920   x3: 0x000000000000005d
   x4: 0x000000016d0f2520   x5: 0x0000000000000000   x6: 0x0000000000000000   x7: 0x0000000000000000
   x8: 0x0000000000000020   x9: 0x000000016d0f249d  x10: 0x000000000000000a  x11: 0x0000000000000000
  x12: 0x0000000000000039  x13: 0x1000000000000000  x14: 0x0000000000000004  x15: 0x0000000000008000
  x16: 0x0000000000000209  x17: 0x000000018dc4337c  x18: 0x0000000000000000  x19: 0x0000000000000000
  x20: 0x000000016d0f2520  x21: 0x000000000000005d  x22: 0x000000016d0f2920  x23: 0x0000000000000001
  x24: 0x0000000000000006  x25: 0x0000000000000001  x26: 0x000000016d0f3298  x27: 0x0000000000000101
  x28: 0x000000016d0f3358   fp: 0x000000016d0f24f0   lr: 0x000000018dcb8628
   sp: 0x000000016d0f24b0   pc: 0x000000018dcada50 cpsr: 0x80001000
  far: 0x0000000000000000  esr: 0x56000080  Address size fault

Binary Images:

      0x102d0c000 -        0x102d13fff org.mozilla.firefox (125.0.1) <a1116842-233e-318a-92dd-e4f0a0fef912> /Applications/Firefox.app/Contents/MacOS/firefox
      0x18dc40000 -        0x18dcc89db dyld (*) <f6dd3ec2-85a4-3ab1-8486-b189cd980ebe> /usr/lib/dyld
              0x0 - 0xffffffffffffffff ??? (*) <00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000> ???

External Modification Summary:

 Calls made by other processes targeting this process:
   task_for_pid: 0
   thread_create: 0
   thread_set_state: 0
 Calls made by this process:
   task_for_pid: 0
   thread_create: 0
   thread_set_state: 0
 Calls made by all processes on this machine:
   task_for_pid: 1
   thread_create: 0
   thread_set_state: 0

VM Region Summary: ReadOnly portion of Libraries: Total=525.9M resident=0K(0%) swapped_out_or_unallocated=525.9M(100%) Writable regions: Total=12.2M written=0K(0%) resident=0K(0%) swapped_out=0K(0%) unallocated=12.2M(100%)

                               VIRTUAL   REGION 

REGION TYPE SIZE COUNT (non-coalesced)

===== ======= =

STACK GUARD 56.0M 1 Stack 8176K 1 VM_ALLOCATE 16K 1 __DATA 27K 2 __DATA_CONST 39K 2 __DATA_DIRTY 7K 1 __LINKEDIT 525.4M 2 __TEXT 580K 2 dyld private memory 4384K 4

===== ======= =

TOTAL 594.3M 16

Full Report

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Model: MacBookPro17,1, BootROM 10151.101.3, proc 8:4:4 processors, 8 GB, SMC Graphics: Apple M1, Apple M1, Built-In Display: Color LCD, 2560 x 1600 Retina, Main, MirrorOff, Online Display: DELL U2715H, 2560 x 1440 (QHD/WQHD - Wide Quad High Definition), MirrorOff, Online Memory Module: LPDDR4, Micron AirPort: spairport_wireless_card_type_wifi (0x14E4, 0x4378), wl0: Jan 13 2024 03:06:59 version 18.20.440.9.7.8.167 FWID 01-7be24857 AirPort: Bluetooth: Version (null), 0 services, 0 devices, 0 incoming serial ports Network Service: Wi-Fi, AirPort, en0 USB Device: USB31Bus USB Device: USB31Bus USB Device: USB3.1 Hub USB Device: USB2.0 Hub USB Device: USB-C Digital AV Multiport Adapter Thunderbolt Bus: MacBook Pro, Apple Inc. Thunderbolt Bus: MacBook Pro, Apple Inc.

Please see the attached image.

Firefox believes I have a security key.

What is a security key? Where do I find it? Why does Firefox think I have one?

And why is there no helpful information to explain this confusing UX?

I can't open firefox. message says "firefox quit unexpectedly" and it won't reload. I tried Force Quit. I tried restarting my computer. I tried completely shutting computer down and restarting. It happened very suddenly yesterday.

Ever since the update, I have had pink flickers on videos on youtube and twitter. They last for less then a second, so I couldn't grab a screenshot of it. After doing some reading online, I turned off hardware acceleration which turned the pink flicker black and now effects several sections of the web browser.

Hi,

I'm using FF on Fedora 39.

However Firefox does not remember any file associations. The MimeTypes.rdf file in the profile is missing and is also not created on restarting the browser.

In the options I've now set the configuration to "Ask whether to open or save files". Now I see a popup when clicking on a file however there is no checkbox with "remember this file associations" (or something similiar).

Hi there,

I need to be able to use Command-I (for italics) or Command-B (for bold) when using Firefox to write emails and enter information on other websites WITHOUT Firefox opening Page Information or Bookmarks.

This is basic browser functionality! People use browsers to write emails and other online documents, and the hotkey combo for things like Bold and Italics on Macs are Cmd-B and Cmd-I. All such websites I use recognize that as a standard, but Firefox insists on using those same commands for browser features I almost never use and certainly don't need hotkeys for.

All the information I'm finding online on how to fix this is deeply unhelpful and far more complicated than I can handle. Can you please tell me if there is a simple way to stop Firefox from pulling up Page Information and Bookmarks as a result of keyboard commands, or at least for me to change what those commands are so that they don't conflict with industry standard commands for text formatting on the vast majority of websites?

-Nic

Hello,

When I go to update Firefox through the settings > general > firefox updates > check for updates, I am getting the error in the title. I can manually download the app installer and update to the most current version which is what I did for version 125.0.1, yesterday.

I have tried uninstalling and reinstalling firefox, installing the beta branch, refreshing firefox, running in troubleshooting mode, completely deleting all user firefox files, and I still get the error. No DNS resolver issues to the update server. No firewall issues. No network blocking (tested with other devices).

This issue started after March update to 124.0.1 and continues to current stable release 125.0.1.

This issue also seems to extend to checking for extension updates.

Below are browser logs for when i try to check for update or update extensions.

App Update Logs: AUS:AUM AppUpdater:check - currentState=STATE_IDLE AUS:AUM AppUpdater:check - starting update check AUS:SVC CheckerService:checkForUpdates - checkType: 2 AUS:SVC CheckerService:checkForUpdates - Making new check request for check id 86. AUS:SVC CheckerService:getUpdateURL - checkType: 2 AUS:SVC CheckerService:getUpdateURL - update URL: https://aus5.mozilla.org/update/6/Firefox/125.0.1/20240416043247/WINNT_x86_64-msvc-x64/en-US/release/Windows_NT%252010.0.0.0.22631.3447%2520(x64)/ISET%3ASSE4_2%2CMEM%3A32702/default/default/update.xml?force=1 AUS:SVC CheckerService:#updateCheck - sending request to: https://aus5.mozilla.org/update/6/Firefox/125.0.1/20240416043247/WINNT_x86_64-msvc-x64/en-US/release/Windows_NT%252010.0.0.0.22631.3447%2520(x64)/ISET%3ASSE4_2%2CMEM%3A32702/default/default/update.xml?force=1 AUS:SVC CheckerService:#updateCheck - request got 'error' event AUS:SVC CheckerService:#updateCheck - Failed. request.status: 2152398919 AUS:SVC getStatusTextFromCode - transfer error: Data transfer was interrupted (please try again), code: 2152398919 AUS:AUM AppUpdater:check - Update check failed; CHECKING_FAILED

Extension Update Logs: 1713382616474 addons.update-checker WARN HTTP Request failed for an unknown reason 1713382616475 addons.update-checker WARN HTTP Request failed for an unknown reason 1713382616476 addons.update-checker WARN HTTP Request failed for an unknown reason 3 1713382616477 addons.update-checker WARN HTTP Request failed for an unknown reason 2 1713382616478 addons.update-checker WARN HTTP Request failed for an unknown reason 1713382616481 addons.update-checker WARN HTTP Request failed for an unknown reason 1713382616483 addons.update-checker WARN HTTP Request failed for an unknown reason 2 1713382616484 addons.productaddons WARN Failed downloading XML, status: 0, channelStatus: 2152398919, errorCode: 2, reason: error 1713382616486 addons.update-checker WARN HTTP Request failed for an unknown reason 2 1713382616487 addons.update-checker WARN HTTP Request failed for an unknown reason 1713382616489 addons.update-checker WARN HTTP Request failed for an unknown reason 1713382616489 addons.productaddons WARN Failed downloading XML, status: 0, channelStatus: 2152398919, errorCode: 2, reason: error 1713382616493 addons.update-checker WARN HTTP Request failed for an unknown reason 2 1713382616494 addons.update-checker WARN HTTP Request failed for an unknown reason 2 1713382616495 addons.update-checker WARN HTTP Request failed for an unknown reason 1713382616497 addons.update-checker WARN HTTP Request failed for an unknown reason 1713382616502 addons.update-checker WARN HTTP Request failed for an unknown reason 1713382616503 addons.update-checker WARN HTTP Request failed for an unknown reason 2 1713382616504 addons.update-checker WARN HTTP Request failed for an unknown reason 1713382616507 addons.update-checker WARN HTTP Request failed for an unknown reason 2 1713382616512 addons.update-checker WARN HTTP Request failed for an unknown reason 1713382616514 addons.update-checker WARN HTTP Request failed for an unknown reason 1713382617489 addons.update-checker WARN HTTP Request failed for an unknown reason HTTPS-Only Mode: Not upgrading insecure request “http://r3.o.lencr.org/” because it is exempt.

I am attempting to report that Yahoo Finance is broken. From this URL, I use the "report broken site" feature:

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/DEO/

When I fill out the information and hit "send", nothing happens. The "report broken site" screen remains active. Hitting Send multiple times has no effect.

I've tried using this feature for other pages, and it appears to work; but it won't work for this site.

Can anyone suggest why that might be? Is it a byproduct of the site's being broken?

Thanks.

So I'll be typing like normal (I type 100 WPM), and all of a sudden, I'll type a sentence, but each individual letter starts taking about 3 seconds to show up on the screen. I have to sit and wait a super long time for everything I typed to finally show up. Other times, I move my mouse over something I should be able to click on, and have to wait a long time for the arrow to turn into a hand, letting me click on it. These periods of slowness will last a few minutes, then disappear.

What's really interesting is that when the slowness starts, I can type just fine up in the URL bar. I might type my entire message there, then copy paste it down to where ever I was wanting to post it. However, when I do that, if I have another tab open and that tab is playing music, the music will start to break up and lag as I type. Again, after a while, the slowness disappears and we're back to normal.

Can anyone tell me what's going on?

Windows 11 Firefox browser 125.0.1

In Proton Mail, when I receive an email with an picture attached inline, I get the following error message: "Your browser could not verify the remote server's identity. The image might be hosted using the http protocol." Is this issue with settings in Proton or Firefox? How do I fix this? See image below. Thank you.

I have Firefox 124.0.2 running on Windows 11. For some reason, I can't update Firefox. When I manually download the update file, it appears to run Ok, but the version doesn't change. If I go to settings and click on "Check for Updates" is comes back and says Failed to Check for Updates. How do I fix this?

Originally reported on April 11th /questions/1444593: I have Windows 11 and the Firefox 124.0.2 browser. I cannot update to the latest version of Firefox. I receive an error message "Failed to update". I've uninstalled and reinstalled the browser, ran the install utility selecting update, nothing seems to work. Please help

i am using firefox developer edition version 126.0b3 (64-bit) on linux mint with an x11 desktop and for some reason the drag and drop breaks frequently.

i think i have figured out how i can consistently recreate the bug as well as sort of fix it temporarily.

i start with a newly launched browser. everything works fine. but then if i attempt to drag and drop something shortly after i drag and dropped something else and it did the little animation where it returns to its original position, i find that i cant drag and drop anything FROM firefox to anywhere else. and i also cannot rearrage tabs.

it seems to fix itself whenever I drag something from another program TO firefox successfully such as text into a textbox, or a .html file into the window to view it.

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Neither Safari nor Chrome requires manual action to relay connections on the same computer.

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I have a laptop attached to a dock which is connected to multiple monitors. If I have a FF window open on one of those external monitors and disconnect from the dock, all the tabs that were open in that FF window will become ghost entries on the taskbar. (see attached image).

It doesn't matter if I close FF entirely, these entries remain until I restart the computer. If I click on one of them, it opens up a brand new, blank FF window.

Has anyone else experienced this or have any idea what might be going on? I tried doing some investigating a few weeks back and I remember finding something in the task manager about COM Surrogate that seemed connected, but I didn't get beyond that.