Diễn đàn hỗ trợ Firefox

Firefox desktop for Windows 10 stopped letting me copy text with the mouse. Copy is greyed out 90% of the time. I really have gotten used to using the mouse to do this. Are they going to fix it? I will have to use a different browser if no fix is in the pipeline. That is how often I use it. Thanks

I never saw any replies on this question I submitted a couple of days ago! My question was is it possible to find a purchase I made on FB last month? I'm trying to find info on the seller.

Every time I try to log in to gmail I receive this message: We've detected a problem with your cookie settings. Enable cookies Make sure your cookies are enabled. To enable cookies, follow these browser-specific instructions I've tried enabling cookies in Mozilla. Apparently I'm doing something wrong because I'm still getting the same message from google.

Full reinstall with all folder deletion didn't help, other PC user can use Firefox just fine. Any ideas? Crash information:

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DWrite+ WR? 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useragent_locale: en-US This report also contains technical information about the state of the application when it crashed.{code}

It won't save open tabs when I close Firefox. Each time I have to go to: Setting>>History>>Recently closed windows. In General settings it's ticked Open previous windows and tabs. I already tried to turn off all extensions.

RE:

   At the top left of the New Tab page, hover over the weather information and click the configuration icon IG page actions.
   Click Change Location.
   Enter the new location in the field and select the desired location from the drop-down. 

Appears to be phantom ways. There are isn't anything like as described at all. Unable to change my locations. .Your STUIPD weather thing is using my VPN location not my real location and I'm unable to find or make any changes. WHY come up with a big lie saying you can change the location? I'd like to add the screen shot, I guess you also limit what can be uploaded while other places allow WORD with the picture in it OR PDF etc.

My browser keeps crashing like the system would have a defective RAM module witch has just been changed with a new one. I have created a new browser session and cleaned cache and cookies. The crash catch you randomly and then get fixated on a web page.... if i open amazon it crashes, then if i restart the browser it crashes again...like it would do when filling a defective RAM and finding a broken byte. I tested it for 24 hours from a live usb of memtest86+ and i got no error.

My system it's Manjaro Linux Kernel 6.6.40-1-MANJARO My crashes are: bp-78e48a16-1536-4efc-a7a3-a03590240719 bp-706bb811-60e0-4e9a-8cab-d42400240719 bp-535604af-d38a-4d4b-a9de-07f250240718 bp-6592ddc7-b465-43e3-bd42-53cf80240718 bp-79765cde-22a0-42f4-9add-fbf5b0240718 bp-93efa616-c694-4b39-baec-df0dd0240718 bp-6f518461-c039-4fa8-874b-2d15d0240718 bp-5dfae8cc-4a38-4c06-97d7-8a94a0240718 bp-991b53c6-6df4-4b1d-814b-dbf480240718 bp-cb084663-9f4c-4c79-9ef5-74c6a0240718 bp-4f6385b6-927c-4d70-9851-45ffd0240718

when i start profile manager the terminal tells me this: firefox --ProfileManager ATTENTION: default value of option mesa_glthread overridden by environment. ATTENTION: default value of option mesa_glthread overridden by environment. ATTENTION: default value of option mesa_glthread overridden by environment. ATTENTION: default value of option mesa_glthread overridden by environment. [GFX1-]: Couldn't sanitize GL_RENDERER "OLAND (radeonsi, , LLVM 18.1.8, DRM 2.50, 6.6.40-1-MANJARO)" ATTENTION: default value of option mesa_glthread overridden by environment. [GFX1-]: Couldn't sanitize GL_RENDERER "OLAND (radeonsi, , LLVM 18.1.8, DRM 2.50, 6.6.40-1-MANJARO)" ATTENTION: default value of option mesa_glthread overridden by environment. [GFX1-]: Couldn't sanitize GL_RENDERER "OLAND (radeonsi, , LLVM 18.1.8, DRM 2.50, 6.6.40-1-MANJARO)" ATTENTION: default value of option mesa_glthread overridden by environment. [GFX1-]: Couldn't sanitize GL_RENDERER "OLAND (radeonsi, , LLVM 18.1.8, DRM 2.50, 6.6.40-1-MANJARO)" [GFX1-]: Couldn't sanitize GL_RENDERER "OLAND (radeonsi, , LLVM 18.1.8, DRM 2.50, 6.6.40-1-MANJARO)" ATTENTION: default value of option mesa_glthread overridden by environment. ATTENTION: default value of option mesa_glthread overridden by environment. ExceptionHandler::GenerateDump attempting to generate:/home/fra/.mozilla/firefox/0fkfr894.fra/minidumps/061a3b0e-d741-f873-1d16-e349004db741.dmp ExceptionHandler::GenerateDump cloned child 106383 ExceptionHandler::WaitForContinueSignal waiting for continue signal... ExceptionHandler::SendContinueSignalToChild sent continue signal to child ExceptionHandler::GenerateDump minidump generation succeeded Exiting due to channel error. Exiting due to channel error. Exiting due to channel error. Exiting due to channel error. Exiting due to channel error. Exiting due to channel error. Exiting due to channel error. Exiting due to channel error. Exiting due to channel error. Exiting due to channel error. Exiting due to channel error. Exiting due to channel error.

If i go in the minidumps folder i find it empty...

Can we verify it's not a problem of Firefox? At the moment Windows doesn't crash, it crashes only Firefox

THIS is the latest error log from YOUR app Log Name: Application Source: Application Error Date: 7/19/2024 3:12:06 PM Event ID: 1000 Task Category: Application Crashing Events Level: Error Keywords: User: X\vernf Computer: X Description: Faulting application name: firefox.exe, version: 128.0.0.2295, time stamp: 0x6686b62a Faulting module name: xul.dll, version: 128.0.0.2295, time stamp: 0x6686b68b Exception code: 0xc0000409 Fault offset: 0x000000000266982d Faulting process id: 0x0x105C Faulting application start time: 0x0x1DADA28690F6D67 Faulting application path: C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe Faulting module path: C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\xul.dll Report Id: ef22ede9-e0c9-4f1b-a1bd-3a610d046e01 Faulting package full name: Faulting package-relative application ID: Event Xml: <Event xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event">

 <System>
   <Provider Name="Application Error" Guid="{a0e9b465-b939-57d7-b27d-95d8e925ff57}" />
   <EventID>1000</EventID>
   <Version>0</Version>
   <Level>2</Level>
   <Task>100</Task>
   <Opcode>0</Opcode>
   <Keywords>0x8000000000000000</Keywords>
   <TimeCreated SystemTime="2024-07-19T22:12:06.5585951Z" />
   <EventRecordID>66459</EventRecordID>
   <Correlation />
   <Execution ProcessID="12268" ThreadID="23600" />
   <Channel>Application</Channel>
   <Computer>X</Computer>
   <Security UserID="S-1-5-21-1031570895-3094223114-2762588158-1001" />
 </System>
 <EventData>
   <Data Name="AppName">firefox.exe</Data>
   <Data Name="AppVersion">128.0.0.2295</Data>
   <Data Name="AppTimeStamp">6686b62a</Data>
   <Data Name="ModuleName">xul.dll</Data>
   <Data Name="ModuleVersion">128.0.0.2295</Data>
   <Data Name="ModuleTimeStamp">6686b68b</Data>
   <Data Name="ExceptionCode">c0000409</Data>
   <Data Name="FaultingOffset">000000000266982d</Data>
   <Data Name="ProcessId">0x105c</Data>
   <Data Name="ProcessCreationTime">0x1dada28690f6d67</Data>
   <Data Name="AppPath">C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe</Data>
   <Data Name="ModulePath">C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\xul.dll</Data>
   <Data Name="IntegratorReportId">ef22ede9-e0c9-4f1b-a1bd-3a610d046e01</Data>
   <Data Name="PackageFullName">
   </Data>
   <Data Name="PackageRelativeAppId">
   </Data>
 </EventData>

</Event>

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING FOR MONTHS NOW .... FIX YOUR SHIT OR LOOSE ANOTHER CUSTOMER. NONE OF YOUR OTHER "FIXES" WORKED.

Hi!

I am getting messages that I am blocking ads for many of my internet requests. I had never received these before but all of a sudden I started to get them. I have tried a number of things but nothing works.

I am running Windows 11 and do not have any Ad blockers.

Why on God's green Earth is there a widget by default that has access to my location? I understand that it's just for weather but it is seriously unacceptable that a browser that claims to care so much about privacy plasters my location on my screen for all to see when I open a new tab. Seriously, who thought this was a good idea and how can I turn it off?

Have been using Firefox for many years with no issues , very happy. Recently i've just starting having trouble playing video on youtube and audio from some sources. wondering if there is a possible problem with the most recent update to vers. 128 as the timeframe seems to jive. when starting a youtube vid. i get a message saying if video doesn't play try restarting your computer. at first this seemed to work but has been getting progressively worse to where multiple restarts do not work. If i switch to a different browser , no problem , everything plays fine , however i do not want to switch permanently to a different browser. Prefer to continue with FireFox

HI,

Half the time when I go to a website like Google Flights or something to do with Google it just automatically brings me to my employer's website like to sign in and use the Google tools there. I don't even work for them anymore and I don't know how to get rid of it automatically wanting me to go there. It won't even let me use Google Flights because it says it not supported by my employer. Thanks.

Have been investigating 2 step auth apps. Aegis came out on top. Notice that FF does not support Aegis. Is there a specific reason why? If not, is this something FF would consider?