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Why is Firefox button not default for Windows XP?

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Why is Firefox button not default for Windows XP?

I know that the Firefox button can be shown on Windows XP too by hiding the Menu Bar. But why is it not default? If Windows XP users do not know that Firefox button can be shown by hiding Menu Bar, they will not only not be able to access the Firefox button but will also not be able to enjoy tabs-on-titlebar. Describe Mozilla why it is not default???

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Re: Why is Firefox button not default for Windows XP?

Aw hell, I'm a real dufuss. And I thought that strange taste in my mouth was from too many smokes this morning - it's toe-jam. I have a wide screen monitor and rarely ever run Firefox maximized - didn't see the tabs in the Titlebar.

Yes, it's weird that the Firefox button isn't the default on XP.

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Re: Why is Firefox button not default for Windows XP?

Tabs-on-titlebar don't work on WinXP (lack of Aero support) like it does on Vista and Win7, which is probably the reason that the Firefox button appearing automatically isn't the default for WinXP installations. IMO, the Firefox button on WinXP doesn't look "right" unless the user adds some CSS customizations to change the Titlebar area.

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Re: Why is Firefox button not default for Windows XP?

Beta 10 fixed the that Tabs-on-titlebar on Windows XP don't look good. And OK, tell me why did Google Chrome implement tabs-on-titlebar even on Windows XP. I also have a Windows 7 laptop with Firefox. I honestly say that I feel no difference on Windows XP. About Firefox button not looking nice, so then why Opera has a button. Believe it or not, the menu bar is old now. Menu Bar has been removed from Google Chrome and Microsoft Office 2007. Opera, doesn't have the menu bar by default. Firefox should also remove the menu-bar on Windows XP too. Chrome and Opera have done this even on Windows XP. So why are you afraid Mozilla???

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Re: Why is Firefox button not default for Windows XP?

One thing to keep in mind about Chrome is that Google started with a clean sheet of paper in (what?) 2008 when creating a new browser. Firefox has roots from Netscape in 1995, so some of the Gecko base code is pretty old. Plus, Google has a helluva lot more money to spend on developer (some of whom have been hired away from Mozilla) salaries, where many Mozilla developers are from the "community" and are unpaid volunteers.

I am running the nightly Minefield 4.0b13pre development version on WinXP and don't see tabs in the titlebar as with the Vista and Win7 version screenshots I have seen. With a "stock" Profile, when I hide the Menu bar and select the menu item for Tabs on Top, the only thing in the Titlebar is the Firefox button on the left side of the Titlebar. There are no Tabs in the Titlebar. Maybe there is something that I don't understand about the tabs-in-titlebar feature in 4.0??

As it is with WinXP that is very unappealing to me, so I have a few Profiles that I am playing with that have different modifications that make better use of the Titlebar area. In one Profile I have all my addon Toolbar buttons in the Titlebar - https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/personal-titlebar/ - which places anything that is on the Menu bar into the Titlebar when the Menu bar is hidden.

Overall, I haven't used the Menu bar since like 2004 - to me it was always a waste of one toolbar worth of browser viewing area "real estate". I have been using the Compact Menu extension, and the various CM replacement extensions over the years since, to reduce the Menu bar items down to one button on the Nav bar that provides a drop-down menu, which can be activated with the Alt, as the Firefox button / Menu bar now works. It could be said that I have been using the Firefox menu button for 7 years now - LOL.

No browser that I have seen, except for Chrome, doesn't have an option to show a complete Menu bar - removing it completely would be a huge mistake, the option to hide is good enough. Firefox 4.0, Opera 10 & 11, along with IE8 did it a lot better than Google, IMO.

Between Google forcing that damn "updater" program on their users and not having a Menu bar at all, it's gone from my XP desktop and I haven't used it in any months on my Linux netbook.

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Re: Why is Firefox button not default for Windows XP?

Hey, I want Firefox to have the Firefox button default for Windows XP. Firefox should keep the menu bar but it should not be default on any platform, whether it Windows XP, Vista, & or Mac OS X or even Linux.

The tabs-on-titlebar, once you see the Firefox 4 button on Windows XP, maximize the Firefox window to get tabs-on-titlebar. Be sure that the Firefox button is there.
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Re: Why is Firefox button not default for Windows XP?

Aw hell, I'm a real dufuss. And I thought that strange taste in my mouth was from too many smokes this morning - it's toe-jam. I have a wide screen monitor and rarely ever run Firefox maximized - didn't see the tabs in the Titlebar.

Yes, it's weird that the Firefox button isn't the default on XP.

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Re: Why is Firefox button not default for Windows XP?

Many bugs have been filed at Mozilla Bugzilla that Firefox button should be default on Windows XP. The bugs have been shut down i.e. nobody replies to them. I have posted feedback many times about this at Mozilla Input Dashboard. Well, I just want a REASON why Firefox button is not default on WinXP. What issue occurs on Windows XP when using Firefox button.