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Where did the Secure Site Icon go ?

I know the status bar was removed and an and on bar replaces it but Where did the Secure Site Icon go ? Will not use FF without it !

I cant find anything about it. ( FF 40b7 ) How do I get it back ? Not so little things like this will hurt FF. And YES I understand this is beta but come on guys/gals this is IMPORTANT ! I probably just missed something stupid but I could use some help please.

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Re: Where did the Secure Site Icon go ?

The "Site Identity button", which provides a lot more pertinent information about a web site, was introduced in Firefox 3, and was used along with the "Security Lock icon"; that "Lock icon" was finally removed from Firefox 4 versions.
https://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Site+Identity+Button
http://www.dria.org/wordpress/archives/2008/05/06/635/

Many of us long time users aren't happy with the lock being gone either, and have asked a few extension developers about restoring that feature via an extension. Well that ain't gonna happen, because the "internal coding" for that "Security Lock" feature was removed from Firefox.

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Re: Where did the Secure Site Icon go ?

This is taken from one of the links above.

There is a major problem with the padlock, however, in that a lot of people believe that it means more than it really does. I certainly thought so until I had a long chat with Johnathan Nightingale (Mozilla’s security UI guru and lead imagineer for this feature) who explained to me that the padlock simply means “encrypted” rather than “safe”. Where the padlock has a very specific meaning related to browser security, I had given it a deeper, broader meaning that it didn’t really deserve.

All the padlock means is that the web page is using HTTPS (Hyper-Text Transfer Protocol Secure). It's almost useless, since you can easily see if a website (such as this one) is using HTTPS by looking at the url bar, or checking if the web site's domain is extended into the favicon.

If you really want it, the padlock is still there if you click on the favicon/domain button.

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Re: Where did the Secure Site Icon go ?

gluxon,

Users are used to seeing a lock in either the Statusbar or the URL bar. The details in that article are too complicated for the "average" user to understand. The "lock" is understood by almost every user - move it, don't remove it.

Just about every other browser has used and is still using a lock icon to indicate a "secure" website. Opera 11 and IE9 are replacing the website icon at the left side of the URL bar with a lock icon, which makes more sense than the way Firefox 4 is doing it. Opera and IE are moving that lock from the right-side of the URL bar as Opera 10 and IE8 are now configured. Click the lock icon and the security information box appears.

Firefox is probably the only browser that is "hiding" that lock in the "box" that opens with clocking the Site Identity Button.

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Re: Where did the Secure Site Icon go ?

Every financial institution (bank, credit union,...), every news outlet (print/TV/Radio/blog) reaches out to millions of elderdly folks and other non-geeks and tells them to run away as soon as they dont see a Key or Lock on a secured page (or maybe so-called secured page from what I get you are trying to push through).

This is a major Change Management disaster waiting to happen... Not just for Firefox but for every web site using secure transactions. Countless organisations are going to get calls from users telling them, "Your site is not secured, Oprah and CNN told me so".

Go for color scheme or other visual indicator to warn of security level, but absolutely dont lose the icon !

Regards, Stephane

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Re: Where did the Secure Site Icon go ?

For what it's worth, I submitted a bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=620456

I'm not sure they're going to pay attention to it, given that the issue was also raised here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=574688#c130

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Re: Where did the Secure Site Icon go ?

sjschultze,

I voted for the Bug you filed and posted my own comments. IMO, this is a "blocker" for Firefox 4.0 and a major UI flaw. Users expect to see a "lock" - Firefox oughta show then the lock in the Location bar!

It's not something to be treated as an educational experience for users, by forcing then to learn about "Site Identity Button" and how much more informative it is vs. the "lock" icon alone.

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Re: Where did the Secure Site Icon go ?

Here are the other relevant bugs I've found, as well as a thread I started on mozilla.dev.security.policy list:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=558551

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=574688#c130

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=598973

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=619921

http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.security.policy/browse_thread/thread/c52b6de458ad54be#

This is not to discourage people from commenting more here, filing their own bugs if they feel strongly about this, commenting on existing bugs, or joining the m.d.s.p discussion.

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Re: Where did the Secure Site Icon go ?

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Re: Where did the Secure Site Icon go ?

I honestly don't think that petition is going to sway Mozilla into action for reinstating the Status bar.

The Mozilla developers seen to be enamored with Google Chrome and (seem to) want Firefox to look just like Chrome. Opera 11 seems to have a better concept with a functioning Statusbar, but it is more like SeaMonkey (with email functions) than it is like Firefox. Too damn many functions stuck on the Status bar that I'll never use - Opera Link, Opera Unite, & "Turbo".