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The ultimate message about the damn X button to close tabs, for Firefox's UX Desdainers, and for our hero Cor-El.

Hi. This message has three sections: little background, little rant, and little help from my friends. Little background: I use PCs since Commodore 64, and internet sin… (читать ещё)

Hi.

This message has three sections: little background, little rant, and little help from my friends.


Little background: I use PCs since Commodore 64, and internet since dial-up modems. Apart for some curiosity attempts with other browsers, I always used Firefox. Back then you either could do some DIY or you were done for. So, I am not a noob. And yet I am not a programmer, and do not have to damn be in order to use a damn internet browser. I have no words to express how negatively the choice of changing the behavior of the X button, to make it disappear when a certain amount of tabs are open, affects my user experience with Firefox. I tolerated it version after version. Found mentions of about:config tweaks which never worked. Found mentions to css codes which seemed so complicated that I just gave up (I also don't have much capacity for such things atm). I was ready to get rid of Firefox today after all this time of being loyal. I would have, if it was not for Cor-El. (Cor-El you can put this testimonial on your website if you'll ever start a consulting business).


Little rant: I SO SO SO SO SO SO MUCH HATE bad UX Design! And the FIRST definition of bad UX Design is when a designer imposes their own tastes and preferences on the users, or makes assumptions (based on their own usage) about how users would do things. I don't give the lesser s... if Firefox's UX Designers usually only have few tabs open, or don't mind clicking on a tab to make the damn X button appear, or would gladly abandon their beloved ergonomic mouse to buy a standard one with a mid button just to close tabs, of whatever the f... was going on in their minds when they decided to remove such an ESSENTIAL FEATURE!!! This change is WRONG! Nobody asked for it, nobody wants it, nobody likes it. The X button was not disturbing anybody. WHY must we tweak some f... about:config setting or ask in this Community for some css code to get back what should have never been removed!!!??? DO YOUR JOB, which is to make OUR user experience better, OUR, not yours!!!


Little help from my friends: After quick searches over a long time where I couldn't dedicate more resources to this, I came here determined to dig deep to find a solution. And I've found a few posts with answers from Cor-El. I followed his instructions in THIS post to configure a css file with the code that he provided in THIS other post (because I thought I didn't want the delay offered by the code he provided in the former post). Problem solved.

Now a question for Cor-El: Is it just me or the solution with the two browser.tabs settings does not work? It's the first thing I tried. I went from 50/50 to 200/200 to see if size matters. But no chance. Maybe there is another setting that must be activated for these to have effect? Or was their effect on the X button removed in newer Firefox versions (like the UX Destroyers really hate us)? Btw, I wanted to see how the delay thing would work, so I tried the code you gave in the first post, and it didn't have any effect. Whereas the code you modified for a guy in THIS post works perfectly. What could be the reason?

And 2 requests: - can you make some guide or pinned post about this, where you put together the info you gave in different posts? Something with your super easy instructions how to create a css file, and the two codes (with and without delay). And if the browser.tabs solution can still work, that too. All info in one single place, easy to find. - can you point me to a (possibly ADHS friendly) resource to more css codes for other useful tweaks, and to an explanation of what all about:config settings do? I like to tweak things to my needs. But I get overwhelmed if I have to read through tons of material. Thanks :)



Bonus Material, Little Rant part 2: It's good and nice that people help each other and I am thankful, but it does not need to come to this. Sure, I've read that the (ridiculous) reason behind the choice of making the X button disappear was to avoid accidental closure of tabs. But WHY taking for granted that we are some !diots who can't even use a mouse properly? And even if it happens once, we can still go to the damn "recently closed tabs"! But no, they had to remove the X button for all of us, to prevent a bunch of !%#@! from maybe sometime accidentally closing a tab. Why not just adding an option in the settings (NOT in some hidden "about:config") to let us choose if we want to have the damn button or not? Btw, a lot of these about:config tweaks are really useful and not dangerous at all and should imo be included in the normal settings. Keeping things simple and tidy does NOT mean reducing options. Unless you're Apple.

Please God-zilla let these [censored content] UX Designers read this post.


Amen and happy new Xear.

Задан AlterNate37 1 год назад

Последний ответ от cor-el 1 год назад

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Tab dragging stops working at random times

Sometimes drag functionality stops working. I can't grab a tab to move it to another position or to a new window. (Holding left click on the tab and moving the cursor doe… (читать ещё)

Sometimes drag functionality stops working. I can't grab a tab to move it to another position or to a new window. (Holding left click on the tab and moving the cursor does nothing). Also, re-merging the tab with another firefox window stops working. (Dragging a tab to a firefox window from another firefox window doesn't merge them. It does nothing) I can right click on the tab and select Move to move it to a new window but dragging stops working. I have to close Firefox and start it again (sometimes twice), then dragging starts working again. This happens multiple times a day. I am on Linux Mint and the version is 126.0 (64-bit). This problematic behavior has only recently began.

Задан tenkayr 1 год назад

Дан ответ TyDraniu 1 год назад

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Tabs group lost after recent update

I have lost my tabs after the recent update. They used to show all tab groups in toolbar icon as mentioned here (https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/tab-groups) in manag… (читать ещё)

I have lost my tabs after the recent update. They used to show all tab groups in toolbar icon as mentioned here (https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/tab-groups) in manage tabs section. Only the groups that were open are retained, the groups which were closed are lost. They contained important tabs which I haven't bookmarked. I didn't see any policy of removal of inactive tab groups after certain time, any help would be really appreciated. I use the desktop app on Linux.

Задан Bhaumik Tripathi 3 месяца назад

Дан ответ jscher2000 - Support Volunteer 3 месяца назад

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browser will not open any window. no new windows, only tab and that is a problem

Why won't Firefox open any new windows? I give ir the command to open a window and yet all i get are tabs and I never click on open a tab. I have an HP probook this for w… (читать ещё)

Why won't Firefox open any new windows? I give ir the command to open a window and yet all i get are tabs and I never click on open a tab. I have an HP probook this for windows 10 and i am also having the same problem with Chrome. I have uninstalled and reinstalled chrome and that did not fix it so it is not that. What would cause this? I have already cleared the cache cookies history browsing etc. and nothing is fixing it. PLEASE HELP.

Задан GINAHERE 6 месяцев назад

Последний ответ от jscher2000 - Support Volunteer 6 месяцев назад

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Firefox opens a new "error" tab every time I click on something

Hello, sadly I have the problem since a few days that firefox opens a new tab with the same error every time I google something or click on a new page/subpage etc. The UR… (читать ещё)

Hello, sadly I have the problem since a few days that firefox opens a new tab with the same error every time I google something or click on a new page/subpage etc. The URL on the error page is all the time "https://0.0.0.1/" mentention of course a page loading error. I don't know why firefox keeps oppening new tabs with this URL. I allrady tried to use the clearing function and even reinstalled the software, nothing worked. Maybe somebody can help me solving this problem, it is very annoying to have multiple new error-tabs per minute in a normal work flow. Thanks and best regards, Thomas

Задан Thomas12345 1 год назад

Дан ответ zeroknight 1 год назад

Panel boczny

PROSZĘ zróbcie czułość rozwijania bocznego panelu. Nie wiem czy to tylko w ostatnim czasie ale bardzo ciężko najechać na coś kursorem blisko bocznego panelu ponieważ ten … (читать ещё)

PROSZĘ zróbcie czułość rozwijania bocznego panelu. Nie wiem czy to tylko w ostatnim czasie ale bardzo ciężko najechać na coś kursorem blisko bocznego panelu ponieważ ten odrazu się rozwija. Jestem zadowolony z tej formy kart przeglądarek więc chciałbym przy niej pozostać, natomiast ta czułość rozwijania kiedy kursor myszki jest stosunkowo daleko jest irytująca i znacząco utrudnia korzystanie z przeglądarki.

Задан Cencik 3 месяца назад

Последний ответ от Cencik 2 месяца назад

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No "x" button when multiple tabs open

With multiple tabs open, the "X" close button disappears; in Safari, the "X" appears on hovering, not in FF, so I have to open the tab to close it. It's an annoyance … (читать ещё)

With multiple tabs open, the "X" close button disappears; in Safari, the "X" appears on hovering, not in FF, so I have to open the tab to close it. It's an annoyance

Задан campsall 2 года назад

Последний ответ от campsall 2 года назад

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Does not open previous windows and tabs

There are many tabs open in the firefox window. I'm closing the firefox. I'm opening it again.All tabs opened during the previous opening disappear.Either a new page or a… (читать ещё)

There are many tabs open in the firefox window. I'm closing the firefox. I'm opening it again.All tabs opened during the previous opening disappear.Either a new page or a single tab opens. The settings are set to "Open previous windows and tabs" (Image 1)


I go to "Firefox View" ---"Open tabs". (image 2) I see 2-5 windows there.In this case, there are 3 windows.WINDOW 1 is my main window with the tabs that should have been saved and opened when firefox was launched again. I close all tabs from unnecessary windows with a cross.Only window 1 remains. But when restarting, an empty or different window opens again.And again, there are a lot of unnecessary and incomprehensible windows on the list. Previously, a window with restored tabs from the previous session always opened. Question: 1)How can I restore the normal recovery of the previous session when restarting? 2) Tell me.I can somehow switch between windows (Firefox View" ---"Open tabs)(Image 1) Thank you.

Задан omax72 4 месяца назад

Дан ответ jscher2000 - Support Volunteer 4 месяца назад

Firefox NEVER opens tabs from previous session.

I go to: General Startup I have the box selecting Open previous windows and tabs. I close the window. FIREFOX DOES NOT EVER SAVE MY PREVIOUS TABS. When I select Hi… (читать ещё)

I go to:

General

Startup

I have the box selecting Open previous windows and tabs.

I close the window.

FIREFOX DOES NOT EVER SAVE MY PREVIOUS TABS. When I select

History

Then select: Recently closed tabs

Then select: Reopen all Tabs

NOTHING HAPPENS.

Yes, I'm a bit peeved at this because whenever I am stupid enough to close Firefox, I lose all my tabs. And it ain't just a couple tabs.

HELP??

Задан moonpupy 4 месяца назад

Последний ответ от moonpupy 4 месяца назад

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Tabs Problem!

All, Noticed a major problem in Fire Fox, that must be corrected! I usually have 2-20 FF sessions open and 5-20 tabs also open in each FF session. FF used to let you s… (читать ещё)

All,

Noticed a major problem in Fire Fox, that must be corrected! I usually have 2-20 FF sessions open and 5-20 tabs also open in each FF session. FF used to let you see up to about 15 tabs, displaying them and responsively compressing the width of the tabs,to let you see what is open, but now it only displays 3 tabs, requiring you to actually scroll right or left to find the tabs open.

Totally unacceptable! This maybe OK for NEWBIES, but we pros and Developers need to see everything without scrolling to find it.

Otherwise I totally need a different Browser!

TBNK

Задан tbotnik 11 месяцев назад

Последний ответ от cor-el 11 месяцев назад

How do I purge AI from my browser?

I don't want AI I don't even want to be near it. I don't want it lurking in the background of my browser. I don't want to waste a single processing cycle on even consider… (читать ещё)

I don't want AI I don't even want to be near it. I don't want it lurking in the background of my browser. I don't want to waste a single processing cycle on even considering it. I never wanted AI, and they jammed it into my browser.

Currently, they popped up an ad for "AI Enhanced Tab grouping" and said that you can turn it off in the settings. I looked in the settings, and could not find such a thing. Searching for "Tabs" "Suggested" "AI" and other such related terms yields no AI things.

Why tell me I can turn something off in the settings if there is no setting to turn it off?

But that's just the start.

I want nothing to do with AI. I don't want to use a browser that supports it.

I WILL MAKE MY OWN DAMN BROWSER IF I HAVE TO. I QUIT GOOGLE, I'LL QUIT FIREFOX.

Mozilla used to be a safe-haven from all the bullshit other tech companies were pulling. And now this.

GET. AI. OUT. OF. MY. BROWSER.

I DON'T CARE IF IT'S LOCAL. I DON'T CARE IF YOU SAY IT'S SECURE. I DON'T CARE IF IT'S GETTING BETTER. I. DO. NOT. CARE.

GIVE ME THE OPTION TO PURGE AI FROM MY BROWSER OR BY FUCK I'LL FIND A NEW BROWSER.

Задан scottsummers611 3 месяца назад

Последний ответ от pleasebothermehere 3 месяца назад

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Favorite shortcuts in new tab randomly deleted

I have pinned various shortcuts in the New tab to link to websites I frequently use. I use two different laptops and both are configured the same. However the New tab r… (читать ещё)

I have pinned various shortcuts in the New tab to link to websites I frequently use. I use two different laptops and both are configured the same. However the New tab randomly clears the pinned shortcuts. I have attached two screenshots illustrating the changes.

I'm not aware of anything I do that caused the shortcuts to be deleted. When they are pinned I think they should be there permanently.

Задан rousea 1 год назад

Последний ответ от cor-el 1 год назад

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Vertical tabs

With vertical tabs and expand on hover, clicking on the X box rarely closes the tab. Sometimes I have success if the pointer is on the left or right line of the box. No… (читать ещё)

With vertical tabs and expand on hover, clicking on the X box rarely closes the tab. Sometimes I have success if the pointer is on the left or right line of the box. Not having luck on the center of the box. Has been true for several weeks. With hover off, clicking the X works fine. I am running Windows 11.

Задан rdkennbs 5 месяцев назад

Дан ответ Denys 4 месяца назад

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Cannot turn off "Switch to this tab" notification.

So I enabled push notifications for Google Calendar. Every time there's a notification, Google Calendar ask if I want to enable "Switch to this tab" for their notificatio… (читать ещё)

So I enabled push notifications for Google Calendar. Every time there's a notification, Google Calendar ask if I want to enable "Switch to this tab" for their notifications. I accidentally turned it on, then I managed to turn it off. Except it now keep asking me if I want to enable it.

Looking at the settings, the only two options available are "Always ask" and "Yes", with no way of just saying no... why?

Задан R4d6 1 год назад

Последний ответ от cor-el 1 год назад

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ctrl+w not closing tabs

ctrl+w stopped working. I can no longer close tabs in firefox using this shortcut. I have tried using the shortcut add-on but no matter what combination i use with ctrl+*… (читать ещё)

ctrl+w stopped working. I can no longer close tabs in firefox using this shortcut. I have tried using the shortcut add-on but no matter what combination i use with ctrl+* nothing will close tabs. i know i can use ctrl+F4 but this is very annoying. What happened and is anyone else having this issue??

Any ideas would be so helpful. Did I turn off something on windows??

Задан Dgunn 1 год назад

Последний ответ от Dgunn 1 год назад

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sessionstore file consists only of closed windows, won't open

Yesterday I had an event in which, due to some combination of computer glitch and user error, my Firefox window was closed and then Firefox was shut down in a two-step pr… (читать ещё)

Yesterday I had an event in which, due to some combination of computer glitch and user error, my Firefox window was closed and then Firefox was shut down in a two-step process. This left me with a sessionstore.jsonlz4 file consisting of no open tabs but with an enormous closed window full of tabs. I've used this utility to verify the contents of my sessionstore file.

I know how to rescue a previous session's tabs according to these instructions. I've done it many times. However, this time I'm finding that the only way to access Recently Closed Windows seems to be to first Restore Previous Session, and the only way to Restore Previous Session seems to be to have at least one tab in the sessionstore file that is not in a closed window. Therefore, I cannot access the tabs in my sessionstore file.

The best solution I can think of would be to edit my sessionstore file so that it contains at least one tab that is not closed. This would allow me to Restore Previous Session, and then find the tabs I want under Recently Closed Windows. However, I do not know how to edit a sessionstore file.

Specs: MacOS Monterey 12.6.9 Firefox 121.0

Задан matthewtiscareno 1 год назад

Последний ответ от matthewtiscareno 1 год назад

Command-option-up and command-option-down keyboard shortcuts were stolen from websites

I regularly use a website which intercepts command-option-up and command-option-down for its own navigation. This is a central part of my workflow with this website, and … (читать ещё)

I regularly use a website which intercepts command-option-up and command-option-down for its own navigation. This is a central part of my workflow with this website, and without it it becomes completely unusable.

After updating to Firefox 140.0.4, these shortcuts are now used by the browser to switch tabs. I have not found any way to configure this. Am I missing some obscure way to do this or is this just impossible?

I imagine this change was made to support vertical tabs, but I'm not using those, so the command-option-left and command-option-right shortcuts make more sense for my horizontal setup. (I don't use those shortcuts either, though- I use ctrl-tab and ctrl-shift-tab!)

Задан rpjohnst 5 месяцев назад

Последний ответ от jscher2000 - Support Volunteer 5 месяцев назад