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I use to have all the tabs and tool bars showup on the bottom of the window. With the upgrade to 66, even using the css file is broken. is there a fix?

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I've always love the fact that I could move all the tool bars and addy bar to the bottom of the window. First this it was a menu item, no it's broken. Then an addon, now it's broken. Then it was the .css file, now it's broken with 66. How do I go about moving everything back to the bottom of the window? Why can't Mozilla relize that a lot of their users love the customizing of where the tools and how the layout is done and stop breaking it??? Why can't we have the old drag and drop customizing back?

I've always love the fact that I could move all the tool bars and addy bar to the bottom of the window. First this it was a menu item, no it's broken. Then an addon, now it's broken. Then it was the .css file, now it's broken with 66. How do I go about moving everything back to the bottom of the window? Why can't Mozilla relize that a lot of their users love the customizing of where the tools and how the layout is done and stop breaking it??? Why can't we have the old drag and drop customizing back?

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I see that despite the acclaimed rollout of Quantum, Firefox STILL has all kinds of problems that they refuse to address, and still ignore what the users want.

I want tabs at the bottom of the WINDOW, not just under the URL bar. So do a ton of other users. Status: Ignored

Firefox will not allow importing of passwords using a .csv file or .xml file.

Status: Ignored

My reaction to Firefox Quantum: Ignored

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jscher2000
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Hi CannnonFoddr, what version of Firefox were you using before?

There was a change in the structure of the toolbar area in Firefox 65 that requires a revised set of rules to move the tabs bar. A good source for that is the "Classic" archive, and you can get help on the FirefoxCSS subreddit.

I have no idea about moving the address bar to the bottom.

Hi CannnonFoddr, what version of Firefox were you using before? There was a change in the structure of the toolbar area in Firefox 65 that requires a revised set of rules to move the tabs bar. A good source for that is the "Classic" archive, and you can get help on the FirefoxCSS subreddit. * https://github.com/Aris-t2/CustomCSSforFx * https://www.reddit.com/r/FirefoxCSS/ I have no idea about moving the address bar to the bottom.
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I am stuck using the latest version, as using 65 breaks extensions. I had everything working right in 65 this morning until all my extensions quit working. Doing an upgrade to fix the extensions problem broke my css.

I am stuck using the latest version, as using 65 breaks extensions. I had everything working right in 65 this morning until all my extensions quit working. Doing an upgrade to fix the extensions problem broke my css.
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jscher2000
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I finally got 66.0.4. Strangely, I had to exit and restart the browser a second time because the update didn't seem to install completely during the automatic restart.

After that I tested my "extract" of Aris's rules and it worked.

https://www.userchrome.org/what-is-userchrome-css.html#movetabbar

You could try one, or go to the source.

I finally got 66.0.4. Strangely, I had to exit and restart the browser a second time because the update didn't seem to install completely during the automatic restart. After that I tested my "extract" of Aris's rules and it worked. https://www.userchrome.org/what-is-userchrome-css.html#movetabbar You could try one, or go to the source.
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I want to move everything to bottom of the window, not just reverse the stacking of them at the top.

I want to move everything to bottom of the window, not just reverse the stacking of them at the top.
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jscher2000
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There is a another site which is good for that level of hackery:

https://www.reddit.com/r/FirefoxCSS/

There is a another site which is good for that level of hackery: https://www.reddit.com/r/FirefoxCSS/
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I figured out how to get everything, but the tabs to show up. Does anyone know what the commands are for the position of the tabs?

I figured out how to get everything, but the tabs to show up. Does anyone know what the commands are for the position of the tabs?
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jscher2000
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Hmm, well, I'm hesitant to tell you about code to move the tab bar because it also has rules for the other bars and that may break what you have now. It needs to be developed and tested as a whole solution.

Hmm, well, I'm hesitant to tell you about code to move the tab bar because it also has rules for the other bars and that may break what you have now. It needs to be developed and tested as a whole solution.
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Is there somewhere that actually explains the rules? Right now as far as I am concerned, Firefox is broken and mozilli has broken it repeatedly. If there is somewhere that I can go and find the rules for moving the bars around, that would be great. I don't mind having it messed up on my computer at all. I'm trying out other browsers, anyway looking for one that will let me set it up the way i use to be able to use firefox. So if i break mine it's not a big deal.

Is there somewhere that actually explains the rules? Right now as far as I am concerned, Firefox is broken and mozilli has broken it repeatedly. If there is somewhere that I can go and find the rules for moving the bars around, that would be great. I don't mind having it messed up on my computer at all. I'm trying out other browsers, anyway looking for one that will let me set it up the way i use to be able to use firefox. So if i break mine it's not a big deal.
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jscher2000
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There are no rules for moving bars around. What you are doing to move bars in userChrome.css is overriding the pre-coded physical sequence by manipulating certain style rule values.

If you start by reviewing the very simple Firefox 57-64 userChrome.css rules that no longer works in Firefox 65+, you can see the most important style property for that is -moz-box-ordinal-group which is a weird proprietary property used in "XUL" which is Mozilla's legacy interface language. By assigning different values for that property to elements you can change the sequence of them.

The problem is when the structure changed in Firefox 65, it got more complicated and you need to use a set of rules like the file I linked to before.

You definitely should try https://www.reddit.com/r/FirefoxCSS/ for this project.

There are no rules for moving bars around. What you are doing to move bars in userChrome.css is overriding the pre-coded physical sequence by manipulating certain style rule values. If you start by reviewing the very simple Firefox 57-64 userChrome.css rules that no longer works in Firefox 65+, you can see the most important style property for that is '''-moz-box-ordinal-group''' which is a weird proprietary property used in "XUL" which is Mozilla's legacy interface language. By assigning different values for that property to elements you can change the sequence of them. The problem is when the structure changed in Firefox 65, it got more complicated and you need to use a set of rules like the file I linked to before. You definitely should try https://www.reddit.com/r/FirefoxCSS/ for this project.
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Yea I think I just solved my problem. https://vivaldi.com This lets me do everything that I wanted to. All I have to do is select in a menu where I want stuff. Take note Mozilla by messing everything up again and AGAIN AND AGAIN, you've lost another user and I'm telling all my friends lol

Yea I think I just solved my problem. https://vivaldi.com This lets me do everything that I wanted to. All I have to do is select in a menu where I want stuff. Take note Mozilla by messing everything up again and AGAIN AND AGAIN, you've lost another user and I'm telling all my friends lol
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cor-el
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See also this thread for updated userChrome.css code for Firefox 65 to move the tabs to the bottom position.


There are other things that need attention.

The System Details list shows that you have an outdated Flash plugin, current is 32.0.0.171 (32.0 r0;04/09/2019).

  • Shockwave Flash 28.0 r0

See this about uninstalling Flash players:

You can download the latest NPAPI Flash plugin for Firefox on this page.

Make sure to remove checkmarks for including unwanted additional software.


Alternatively you can find the location of a plugin in the pluginreg.dat file in the Firefox profile folder.

You can use the button on the "Help -> Troubleshooting Information" (about:support) page to go to the current Firefox profile folder or use the about:preferences page.

See also this thread for updated userChrome.css code for Firefox 65 to move the tabs to the bottom position. *[[/questions/1248277]] Reposition Tabs at bottom, directly above web page in Firefox 65.0? ---- There are other things that need attention. The System Details list shows that you have an outdated Flash plugin, current is 32.0.0.171 (32.0 r0;04/09/2019). * Shockwave Flash 28.0 r0 See this about uninstalling Flash players: *https://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/kb/uninstall-flash-player-windows.html You can download the latest NPAPI Flash plugin for Firefox on this page. *https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions/ Make sure to remove checkmarks for including unwanted additional software. ---- Alternatively you can find the location of a plugin in the pluginreg.dat file in the Firefox profile folder. You can use the button on the "Help -> Troubleshooting Information" (about:support) page to go to the current Firefox profile folder or use the <b>about:preferences</b> page. *Help -> Troubleshooting Information -> Profile Directory:<br>Windows: Show Folder; Linux: Open Directory; Mac: Show in Finder *http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_folder_-_Firefox
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I see that despite the acclaimed rollout of Quantum, Firefox STILL has all kinds of problems that they refuse to address, and still ignore what the users want.

I want tabs at the bottom of the WINDOW, not just under the URL bar. So do a ton of other users. Status: Ignored

Firefox will not allow importing of passwords using a .csv file or .xml file.

Status: Ignored

My reaction to Firefox Quantum: Ignored

I see that despite the acclaimed rollout of Quantum, Firefox STILL has all kinds of problems that they refuse to address, and still ignore what the users want. I want tabs at the bottom of the WINDOW, not just under the URL bar. So do a ton of other users. Status: Ignored Firefox will not allow importing of passwords using a .csv file or .xml file. Status: Ignored My reaction to Firefox Quantum: Ignored
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