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Firefox is the ine major browser on the market that DOESN'T have much of this stuff and actually kinda cares about privacy. Why take that away? You're only driving away your main userbase. If you continue shoving AI down our throats like everyone else I'm gonna have to find an alternative.

For those of us that do want to use AI for work performance enhancement purposes, I have a question and also a comment for the Development Team. Here is the scenario real quick. I use Mozilla Firefox as my trusted browser today and that means that I open other AI systems such as ChatGPT, Grok, Gemini, etc. within this browser and could at times be running multiple browser sessions at the same time. My question is, will the Mozilla new AI Features attempt to try and compete with my other chat sessions for data capture, response and participation if I keep portions or the whole system enabled? The last thing I need is Mozilla AI as the selected browser now interfering with my other work flow processes in anyway including just listening along which would significantly increase the amount of resources used to run the Mozilla AI in parallel with other AI systems on my computer. I have heavy work loads at times and am already experiencing browser delays in processing data (even when setting up separate project chats for specific tasks) because of too many added features within all of the AI systems like historical chat session quick links on the right side of the screen. That's a ton of data that ends up getting stored/cached, referenced and processed with each command executed. I don't mind using Mozilla AI within the browser for general personal surfing and Q&A purposes but I can see this potentially becoming a big issue for us creators working with large image data processing tasks in other AI systems via the Mozilla browser. I will unfortunately be turning all of these Mozilla AI features off to start because I am not sure there really is a clear separation path for resource allocations within the browser now keeping my experience fast and efficient. Most likely this will force me into using a different browser product for personal vs business until things are much clearer. Hoping to learn a little bit here and see that things like this are being taken into consideration, even if it is a product roadmap enhancement for release sometime in the near future. Thanks so much!

AI has been repeatedly shown to be extremely eco-unfriendly, and a large portion of the population actively avoids its usage, finding it to be intrusive in standard usage and unhelpful.

Why is Mozilla choosing to implement this undesirable feature?

This browser has been my preferred way to use the internet for years, after Chrome overloaded theirs with unneeded features that slowed the performance. I switched to Mozilla products because of their lightweight and private browsing options. Today, you pushed an "AI Kill Switch" instead of listening to community feedback that largely demanded the removal of all features using generative AI, and this is my final straw. I don't know who in the company is pushing for this, but if there's even the slightest chance of them reading my words; your product is shit and will remain shit for the rest of it's existence. AI features introduce security risks, slow performance noticably, and have such bad political pr attached to them, there's no crawling yourself back from this. You've labeled yourself as another ai company willing to burn all goodwill from your userbase for the percieved chance at acquiring profit. The bubble will pop, and you and your market value will go the way of every other internet browser that was okay for time but got too big for it's britches. You're an idiot for ever believing the ai hype and deciding to bet your entire company on the gamble. Firefox is, at best, only useful for downloading another browser, now. Way to become a direct competitor with Internet Explorer again.

I saw an article claiming that Firefox/Mozilla's new leadership wants to go the same route as every other browser I've gone out of my way to stop using - to implement unnecessary AI wherever possible.

Is this true? Why?

I do not care if someone else wants to browse without actual search results, if someone wants to have their messages readily typed, or if someone only wants to have guesstimated generated summaries instead of actual snippets from websites. I do not care if someone else wants to have arbitrarily sorted bookmarks or whatever else it might be AI is supposedly good for.

I do not need or want any of these features in a web browser. Why does firefox think it should be the new default?

I have already manually turned off all the AI tools firefox offers this far - and I have been thankful for the option to do so! So now, if even this 'big' optionally somewhat AI free browser is genuinely going the forcefully unintelligent and frankly really pushy and overbearing and bloated way of all the others, I'm kindly asking for suggestions of other browsers to use in the future.

Actually, given that this "feature" made it all the way through to prod, I seriously suggest you just fire absolutely everyone currently working for Mozilla and start over with entirely new people, and ideally have as one of your hiring criteria a sensible understanding that AI has no place in Firefox, or any other Mozilla project. Leaving aside the question of whether it's good or bad, it's simply irrelevant to what we're doing here.

Thanks for enshittifying one of the few parts of the internet that wasn't yet crap. Great job, well done Angus.

I have many, MANY issues with LLMs, but a lot of them come down to this: I don't want my computer doing things that can't be fully tracked down in logs.

LLMs and other "ai" aren't traceable, and their outputs aren't truly repeatable: their information comes from loose associative heuristics that don't follow any kind of human logic, and they are inherently prone to erroneous data. Even if there was an ai that was right 99% of the time (which is currently impossible, with all existing models being at MOST 50% accurate), I wouldn't want to use it if it couldn't show me exactly where its information came from, without errors and without hallucinations, every time.

There's enough misinformation on the internet as it is. I don't want my browser, the vehicle I use to navigate information, adding more.

In addition, I don't really want my bank account information stolen when I read a Reddit post, thanks.

The biggest reason I use Firefox is because of the lack of Generative AI "features" that both make browsing worse and destroy the environment through the ridiculous amount of resources they take to spit out worse results. Stop sneaking them in, or I - and many others - will take our business elsewhere.

primarily feedback, no help needed.

AI is a financial black hole. Some tech/financial people like it because it is new and exciting. It's speculative financing, like NFTs; it's a new way for money to move around, things to be built, resources to be drained. So, so, so many resources to be drained. But it makes no money. No one wants to pay for it. People primarily do not trust it, or want it in their everyday devices and programs. This article shows the majority of at least the US public have a negative view of AI and its impact on our future.

We do not want environmentally destructive, CPU-resource-intensive, unreliable AI built into Firefox. Firefox has managed to eke out what userbase it has by NOT shooting itself in the foot with user-unfriendly garbage decisions like every other browser. I have been put off by what AI there is already; I believe if it is ramped up, the userbase will jump ship, if possible, or, if left with no other options, simply lose all faith, loyalty, and support.

Please no more AI in Firefox. thank you

My browser recently updated and announced some stuff about using AI. I don't want it. I don't want to associate with AI. Is there a way to rollback my browser to a previous version?

I know I can't speak for all Firefox users, but one of the main draws to using this browser for myself and many others has been that it took a firm stance AGAINST data theft, user tracking, bloat, and other insidiously invasive practices present in other browsers that make them glorified spyware. Integrating genAI features throws all of that out the door, and deeply threatens the product's identity in its consumer base. These are features we do not want or need and will likely drive many proud Firefox users to seek alternatives. Please reconsider

Holy hell, this is an awful idea. Firefox has been like, the most widely-supported and accessible competitor to Chrome that hasn't started pawning off data willy-nilly, and now your investor-pickled brain is deciding to add the Unethical Slop Generator built in? Fuck off. Pull anything, and you're losing customers.

The only reason to use this website is that you're the only otpion without AI nonsense in it. Why on erth would you ever choose to do something that removes one of the primary reasons to use your service over competitors.

To the Firefox development community:

I started using Firefox... well, before it was Firefox. In the early browser wars, I was a devotee of Netscape. After high school, Firefox became a thing, and I was an early adopter. For years I eagerly spoke of the glories of the open source browser, and even when Chrome came around with its "new hotness", I stuck with Firefox. It was, I reckoned, just better.

However, something has happened which has shaken my faith in the browser - and in the Mozilla foundation entirely. As the whole internet screams "WE DO NOT WANT AI", as Valve gets endless kudos from its userbase and a reputation as "the only good monopoly" because it forces its game listings to have disclaimers if AI touches games in any way, and as it becomes known that ChatGPT is pushing teens to suicide...

Mozilla has decided "hey we want that in our browser!"

No.

No.

No.

No.

No.

This is the greatest betrayal of a userbase I can imagine. LLMs are the antithesis to the open-source, "you can see what goes into it" mindset that Firefox has had for over 20 years. It is bloat. It is built on plagiarism - by default, all LLMs are built by scraping huge amounts of data that their designers do not own.

Thankfully, there IS a branch of Firefox that does not use AI - the Waterfox project - and I will be turning my attention there. But mark my words - by deciding that the last holdout against putting AI in everything SHOULD put AI in it, you have soured an incredible amount of the goodwill that you have built up.

My personal recommendation: Fire the idiot who made this decision and replace him with ANYONE who has a modicum of sense in the Foundation.

As a last comment, I will say that I am ending it here because I believe this says enough of what I am thinking and feeling at the moment; if I was to say everything it would be approximately 90 pages long and be 35% obscenity by volume, and I don't think the forum rules allow that. Good evening, and may Mark Surman stub his toe every 129 seconds for the rest of his life.

I've just heard that the new Mozilla CEO plans to move Firefox towards being an "A.I Browser" over the course of the next three years. I am incredibly upset and disappointed by this.

Firefox been my go-to browser for its lack of built-in bloatware and spyware; for a little over a decade I have relied on this browser and felt secure in its future up until now. I am incredibly frustrated by this direction. At this point, I might as well go back to Google Chrome. I am frustrated, disappointed, and angry about this doubling down.

A.I is bloatware. Anything it can do, I can (and would rather) do myself with minimal effort. It offers no features that I find valuable, and should Firefox move forward with this, not only will I no longer be recommending this browser to my friends and family, I will leave it myself and encourage my friends and family to do the same.

This is a disturbing promise from the CEO, and I hope for the sake of the browser that it is left unfulfilled.