Recent answers to How do I install version 28 over 29?https://support.mozilla.org/ga-IE/questions/9997592014-05-27T17:32:58-07:00This thread is solved already. It is drifting on to other subjects. The discussion of developer dec2014-05-27T17:32:58-07:00John99https://support.mozilla.org/ga-IE/questions/999759?page=3#answer-582363<p>This thread is solved already. It is drifting on to other subjects. The discussion of developer decisions, other browsers and feature requests are all considered out of scope of this forum.
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<ul><li>An explanatory quotation from a developer <br> <a href="/questions/998084#answer-566525" rel="nofollow">/questions/998084#answer-566525</a>
</li><li>A and a list of resources relating to Firefox 29 use and modification <br> <em> The I-do-not-like-Firefox-29-layout topic</em> <a href="/questions/998106?page=2#answer-568374" rel="nofollow">/questions/998106?page=2#answer-568374</a>
</li></ul>Its not possible. Your only real option is to use Alternative browser like Waterfox which is based 2014-05-27T10:36:05-07:00ikeepbeeshttps://support.mozilla.org/ga-IE/questions/999759?page=3#answer-582207<p><strong>Its not possible</strong>. Your only real option is to use Alternative browser like <strong>Waterfox</strong> which is based on the Mozilla engine or <strong>Palemoon</strong>
</p><p><a href="http://www.waterfoxproject.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.waterfoxproject.org/</a>
</p><p><a href="http://www.palemoon.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.palemoon.org/</a>
</p><p><strong>I have uninstalled Firefox</strong> and use waterfox almost exclusively now. The nice thing is that waterfox will pickup all your previous settings from Firefox and when uninstalling if you leave your settings and prefs then waterfox will continue like the old Firefox
</p>Make 29 emulate 28.
2014-05-27T09:56:43-07:00brookejhttps://support.mozilla.org/ga-IE/questions/999759?page=3#answer-582180<p>Make 29 emulate 28.
</p>oops - I hit "not helpful" but it WAS helpful . . . THANKS! I agree.
2014-05-21T22:15:15-07:00alsmusichttps://support.mozilla.org/ga-IE/questions/999759?page=3#answer-579564<p>oops - I hit "not helpful" but it WAS helpful . . . THANKS! I agree.
</p>I now have the version 28 installer pinned to my task bar for emergency reinstall of version 28 when2014-05-20T14:34:39-07:00ikeepbeeshttps://support.mozilla.org/ga-IE/questions/999759?page=3#answer-578817<p>I now have the version 28 installer pinned to my task bar for emergency reinstall of version 28 whenever it does an unwanted update to version 29. I have now lost all faith and hope in the Firefox project. This is the most discusting and insidious behaviour from any software provider I have ever experienced. So somebody please fix this Auto upgrade issue permantly or its Good by Firefox for good
</p>Hi Purebeads, I just got a shock when my FF 28 decided to do an unaproved and radom upgrade after a2014-05-20T14:30:54-07:00ikeepbeeshttps://support.mozilla.org/ga-IE/questions/999759?page=3#answer-578814<p>Hi Purebeads, I just got a shock when my FF 28 decided to do an unaproved and radom upgrade after a week without issue to version 29 this is despite all telemetry and upgrade options all being turned OFF. I installed a new youtube plugin and suddenly I got upgraded without warning. Very unwelcome.
</p><p>So for all you Forum Gurus How do I stop this from happening Period.
I dont ever want to see version 29 on my computer Ever again so
<strong>HOW DO WE STOP PERMANENTLY AUTO UPDATE TO VERSION 29</strong>
</p>Hi Purebeads, Yes all versions can be installed and co exist on the one system. At least thats tru2014-05-20T08:38:04-07:00ikeepbeeshttps://support.mozilla.org/ga-IE/questions/999759?page=3#answer-578660<p>Hi Purebeads, Yes all versions can be installed and co exist on the one system. At least thats true on windows
</p>One other question about Waterfox. Since FF is open source, and these other flavors are based on th2014-05-20T08:16:00-07:00Purebeadshttps://support.mozilla.org/ga-IE/questions/999759?page=3#answer-578642<p>One other question about Waterfox. Since FF is open source, and these other flavors are based on the same code -- can they coexist on the same computer? Can I install Waterfox and keep FF until I decide I want to switch? And can I use my bookmarks from FF?
</p><p>Todd, I completely agree. As I've said, version 2 was my favorite version, and it has been downhill from there. Regarding downgrading, a lot of people don't want to start with a new profile because they'll lose their customizations.
</p>Tried V29 what a mistake !!!! To get back to V28 .... was simple ... I downloaded Version 282014-05-20T07:18:01-07:00toddmhttps://support.mozilla.org/ga-IE/questions/999759?page=3#answer-578609<p>Tried V29 what a mistake&nbsp;!!!! To get back to V28 .... was simple ... I downloaded Version 28 from the Mozilla FTP Site .... Installed it right over Version 29 ... Was a little weird looking so I used Chuck Baker's FEBE Backup add-on (I create it daily) and used it to create a new profile under a new profile name ... Now everything is fine .... FEBE is a great Add-on.
</p><p>By the way, just to blow off a little steam ... what the H E double hockey sticks is going on at Mozilla. I have used FF for years and was quite happy with it . They were the 2nd most successful and that was only because Windows comes with IE installed. When you think about it, Mozilla had absolutely phenomenal success by word of mouth distribution. They did not have the benefit like IE being factory installed.
</p><p>THEN THEY HAD TO ARGUE WITH SUCCESS AND FIX SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT BROKEN .... AND IN THE PROCESS NOT ALLOWING US TO GO BACK TO SOME STUFF WE LOVE.... They now think like a last place loser instead of number two.
</p><p>They dumped Thunderbird.
</p><p>They made a mess of Firefox Android/mobile.
</p><p>Other big companies acknowledge them as an "800 lb gorilla on the block" by taking Firefox into account when creating software and websites.
</p><p>And Mozilla continues to screw with Firefox.
</p><p>Please Stop fixing what ain't broke!
</p>Hi, yes most addons are good for both waterfox and Palemoon
2014-05-19T21:00:20-07:00ikeepbeeshttps://support.mozilla.org/ga-IE/questions/999759?page=3#answer-578396<p>Hi, yes most addons are good for both waterfox and Palemoon
</p>But what about security and add-ons? Do FF add-ons work with them?
I have Windows 7, so I could use2014-05-19T20:38:04-07:00Purebeadshttps://support.mozilla.org/ga-IE/questions/999759?page=3#answer-578389<p>But what about security and add-ons? Do FF add-ons work with them?
</p><p>I have Windows 7, so I could use Waterfox.
</p>Hi Purebeads, I have windows 8.1 and find they all work fine. I dialed back to FF 28 plus finding 2014-05-19T11:42:32-07:00ikeepbeeshttps://support.mozilla.org/ga-IE/questions/999759?page=3#answer-578300<p>Hi Purebeads, I have windows 8.1 and find they all work fine. I dialed back to FF 28 plus finding I use Waterfox more than the others. You might find this conversation informative <a href="https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1000634" rel="nofollow">https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1000634</a>
</p>purebeads:
seamonkey is ok; waterfox is great but it doesn't play well with the latest updates for w2014-05-19T00:13:27-07:00chienetfouhttps://support.mozilla.org/ga-IE/questions/999759?page=3#answer-577955<p>purebeads:
seamonkey is ok; waterfox is great but it doesn't play well with the latest updates for windows 8.1 x64. my personal experience (and i'm still trying to figure out why) has waterfox not loading completely, then locking up(not responding). the only way to close it is to use system explorer or task manager to force a shutdown. of the two variants i think waterfox is better, providing you stay away from 8.1(it works wonderfully on my 7 machine)
</p>Bee, thanks for the interesting info. I never heard of Palemoon, Waterfox or Seamonkey. I'll look 2014-05-18T22:59:30-07:00Purebeadshttps://support.mozilla.org/ga-IE/questions/999759?page=3#answer-577938<p>Bee, thanks for the interesting info. I never heard of Palemoon, Waterfox or Seamonkey. I'll look into them. Are they secure? Are they customizable? Do they support add-ons?
</p><p>Thanks again.
</p>Hi Purebeads, Everything you say is correct but I dont think its a deliberate attempt to emulate or2014-05-18T20:00:05-07:00ikeepbeeshttps://support.mozilla.org/ga-IE/questions/999759?page=3#answer-577896<p>Hi Purebeads, Everything you say is correct but I dont think its a deliberate attempt to emulate or copy other browsers. What I believe has happened is an attempt to capture the Touch screen portable computer market, unfortunately this has been at the expence of the desktop computer and all features are now geared for tiny processors with minimal ram and Fat fingers. I am reliably informed that up till version 28 they were actively developing 2 seperate versions side by side ie desktp and touch screen versions but with the introduction of the version 29 they have now merged and bingo the desktop has been totaly screwed in favour of the touch screen and the low powered toy computer market and thats dispite all the evidence that the two environments are so totaly different and require different stratagies and methods. I believe the only real option for the desktop at this stage is to use one of the alternative browsers based on the FF engine like Palemoon or Waterfox or Seamonkey
</p>Since I'm the one who started the thread, I thought I would say that I finally got the Classic Theme2014-05-18T18:08:54-07:00Purebeadshttps://support.mozilla.org/ga-IE/questions/999759?page=2#answer-577888<p>Since I'm the one who started the thread, I thought I would say that I finally got the Classic Theme Restorer add-on ("CTR") to make FF look the way I want it to look. As long as the tabs are on top, it will continue to look new and stupid; but once you go into the CTR options and move the tabs down (meaning directly over the windows), then FF suddenly starts looking like the classic appearance. Even after doing that, however, the tabs didn't look right -- but I discovered why: I also have the Tab Mix Plus add-on ("TMP") installed, and some of the options I was selecting in that add-on were interfering with the options in CTR. CTR does most of what TMP does, but not everything; so it is unfortunately necessary for me to have both installed. I wrote to the author of CTR and suggested that he expand the features of CTR to include more of the options in TMP, but he didn't answer.
</p><p>FF continues to crash constantly, which is apparently because I have a 32-bit system with only 4 GB of RAM. But I do have virtual memory, and I don't know why FF doesn't use that when it runs out of RAM. FF is a very buggy program.
</p><p>I want to say additionally that I think FF is over-programmed. It is trying to do too much. The most stable version of FF that I have used was version 2. I was able to have many more windows open than I can have now, and the program rarely crashed. Now it is crashing constantly. The program has gone downhill since then. I also think that the developers are incredibly stupid to be emulating the appearance of other browsers. What's the use of having a choice of browsers if they all behave and look the same?
</p>Did that days ago, but thanks for the thought. I was responding to someone on here that spoke of "w2014-05-18T07:57:39-07:00rsc0155https://support.mozilla.org/ga-IE/questions/999759?page=2#answer-577688<p>Did that days ago, but thanks for the thought. I was responding to someone on here that spoke of "we". The way it was worded thought they were part of the development team.
</p>chienetfou
Telling us what you want Firefox developers to do won't help here at all since we're not 2014-05-18T07:50:54-07:00moseshttps://support.mozilla.org/ga-IE/questions/999759?page=2#answer-577681<p><b>chienetfou</b>
</p><p>Telling us what you want Firefox developers to do won't help here at all since we're not developers and they seldom roam the forum. Please send all feedback to <a href="http://input.mozilla.org/feedback" rel="nofollow">input.mozilla.org/feedback</a>
</p><p><b>Iamnothappy</b>
</p><p>I've heard that you have to disable automatic updates from the about:config page as well as in the Options
</p><p>There was a previous way by going through the Options menu to disable updates but after disabling it through there, when you would go to Help &gt; About Firefox, it would update regardless of that setting.
</p><p>You can set these prefs in <code>about:config</code> to disable automatic updating:<br>
app.update.auto - false<br>
app.update.enabled - false<br>
app.update.silent - false<br>
</p>Is 28 still working on your system? I uninstalled 29 and reinstalled 28. I turned off auto update.2014-05-18T05:02:52-07:00Iamnothappyhttps://support.mozilla.org/ga-IE/questions/999759?page=2#answer-577607<p>Is 28 still working on your system? I uninstalled 29 and reinstalled 28. I turned off auto update. After about a 1/2 hour 29 mysteriously reinstalled itself. I tried again this time deleting all references to firefox on my PC including the registry. Same thing happened I can't seem to get rid of 29 and still use Firefox.
</p>how about giving us back the look and control of the previous versions. for example tabs on bottom, 2014-05-18T01:37:33-07:00chienetfouhttps://support.mozilla.org/ga-IE/questions/999759?page=2#answer-577535<p>how about giving us back the look and control of the previous versions. for example tabs on bottom, small icons, being able to move/customize everything on the tool bar... shall I continue? fixing the bugs/security leaks in 28 is a fine idea but turning a decent product into a google clone?... if your just going to screw things up why not just make it an ie duplicate and be done with it?
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