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Restore thunderbird profile from a crashed Win 10 desktop

My desktop win 10 computer system crashed. While the operating system was zapped, the actual c: drive was intact. A new c: drive was installed with win 11 pro but when I … (read more)

My desktop win 10 computer system crashed. While the operating system was zapped, the actual c: drive was intact. A new c: drive was installed with win 11 pro but when I connect the old drive to the new system, I am locked out of the user>apps>thunderbird folders ( access denied). Is there a way of overriding this security feature? I was hoping to be able to import my profile with several email addresses and their associated archival data. This is more complicated than I was expecting.

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tryng to import a seamonkey profile in to at TB email system.

Am trying to import seamonkey profile data in to Thunderbird, but keep getting error messages: am using win 11 anddownloaded latest TB exe yesterday. mail.import: Path Pr… (read more)

Am trying to import seamonkey profile data in to Thunderbird, but keep getting error messages: am using win 11 anddownloaded latest TB exe yesterday. mail.import: Path Profiles/4wd1drzq.default is incorrect; isRelative=true SeamonkeyProfileImporter.sys.mjs:67:22 and This page is in Quirks Mode. Page layout may be impacted. For Standards Mode use “”. SeamonkeyProfileImporter.sys.mjs . Have found this: /* This Source Code Form is subject to the terms of the Mozilla Public

* License, v. 2.0. If a copy of the MPL was not distributed with this
* file, You can obtain one at http://mozilla.org/MPL/2.0/. */

import { AppConstants } from "resource://gre/modules/AppConstants.sys.mjs"; import { ThunderbirdProfileImporter } from "resource:///modules/ThunderbirdProfileImporter.sys.mjs";

/**

* A module to import things from a seamonkey profile dir into the current
* profile.
*/

export class SeamonkeyProfileImporter extends ThunderbirdProfileImporter {

 NAME = "SeaMonkey";
 /** @see BaseProfileImporter */
 async getSourceProfiles() {
   const slugs = {
     win: ["AppData", "Mozilla", "SeaMonkey"],
     macosx: ["ULibDir", "Application Support", "SeaMonkey"],
     linux: ["Home", ".mozilla", "seamonkey"],
   }[AppConstants.platform];
   if (!slugs) {
     // We don't recognize this OS.
     return [];
   }
   const seamonkeyRoot = Services.dirsvc.get(slugs[0], Ci.nsIFile);
   slugs.slice(1).forEach(seamonkeyRoot.append);
   const profilesIni = seamonkeyRoot.clone();
   profilesIni.append("profiles.ini");
   if (!profilesIni.exists()) {
     this._logger.debug(
       "No SeaMonkey profile found in the well known location."
     );
     return [];
   }
   const profiles = [];
   const ini = Cc["@mozilla.org/xpcom/ini-parser-factory;1"]
     .getService(Ci.nsIINIParserFactory)
     .createINIParser(profilesIni);
   for (const section of ini.getSections()) {
     const keys = [...ini.getKeys(section)];
     if (!keys.includes("Path")) {
       // Not a profile section.
       continue;
     }
     const name = keys.includes("Name")
       ? ini.getString(section, "Name")
       : null;
     const path = ini.getString(section, "Path");
     const isRelative = keys.includes("IsRelative")
       ? ini.getString(section, "IsRelative") == "1"
       : false;
     let dir;
     try {
       if (isRelative) {
         dir = seamonkeyRoot.clone();
         dir.appendRelativePath(path);
       } else {
         dir = Cc["@mozilla.org/file/local;1"].createInstance(Ci.nsIFile);
         dir.initWithPath(path);
       }
     } catch (ex) {
       this._logger.warn(
         `Path ${path} is incorrect; isRelative=${isRelative}`
       );
       continue;
     }
     if (!dir.exists()) {
       this._logger.warn(`${dir.path} does not exist`);
       // Not a valid profile.
       continue;
     }
     profiles.push({ name, dir });
   }
   return profiles;
 }

} Thank you

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Cannot transfer profile/emails from one computer to another

I use Thunderbird on my older Macbook Air, which I am replacing with q new Mac laptop. I have a huge record of emails in many folders on the old computer and want the sam… (read more)

I use Thunderbird on my older Macbook Air, which I am replacing with q new Mac laptop. I have a huge record of emails in many folders on the old computer and want the same thing on the new computer. I have done this many times in the past between a desktop and a laptop Mac with no issues. But something seems to have changed.

I installed the program, I tried to transfer the profile from the old computer to the new computer, and deleted the older profile. I tried to open Thunderbird and it tells me the profile is missing or inaccessible. I deleted the .ini file but that just makes me do a set up again. I used to do this all the time between my other Macs and it was super simple. Now it's a nightmare and doesn't work at all.

So how do we transfer all saved email, folders and server into etc from on computer to a different computer?

Sean

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I need to get my e-mail filters from my old machine

I have everything I need from my old machine except my e-mail filters. If I copy the whole profile I will lose all of the sent messages and saved messages I have generate… (read more)

I have everything I need from my old machine except my e-mail filters. If I copy the whole profile I will lose all of the sent messages and saved messages I have generated since I got Thunderbird up and running on my new machine.

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I imported settings from Windows 11 Thunderbird to Linux Thunderbird, now Account Settings mode says "Account name already exists" when trying to change "Your Name"

On my Windows 11 laptop, in Thunderbird v 148.0.1, I changed the entries for Accounts>"Your name" for all of my accounts. I then Tools>Export the settings to a file… (read more)

On my Windows 11 laptop, in Thunderbird v 148.0.1, I changed the entries for Accounts>"Your name" for all of my accounts. I then Tools>Export the settings to a file. It was reported as 1.97Gigs, and Krusader displayed it as 1.9Gigs.

On my Linux laptop, I imported the settings into Linux Thunderbird v 140.9.0esr (64-bit). It did not import the new names. When I attempted to edit them, Account Settings mode says "Account name already exists" and appends _2 to the account name.

I forgot to make a backup before I undertook this.

How can I fix this?

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Export to Mobile - Mobile device doesn't capture the QR Code

I currently have the following: Mozilla Thunderbird version 152.0.1 (64-bit) installed on a Windows 11 Pro computer. Within this installation are five E-Mail accounts con… (read more)

I currently have the following:

Mozilla Thunderbird version 152.0.1 (64-bit) installed on a Windows 11 Pro computer. Within this installation are five E-Mail accounts configured and working.

I have selected Export for Mobile.

On Android (Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra - 5G) One UI Version: 8.5 Android: 16 Kernel: 6.1.145-android14-11-33419968-abS928USQS6DZF2

Thunderbird Version: 20.0

I click on the Import Settings: Try to scan the QR Code from my laptop which says 1 of 2 QR Codes and I get nothing. No pop-ups, no approvals, it just sits there. Clicking done takes me back to the main screen.

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Export to mobile failure-will not scan

I don't have an error code. I am using TB 152.0.1 on Windows 11 Home 10.0.26200 Build 26200 I want to have TB on my Galaxy Tab 6 lite, and/or Huawei P20. I have the app … (read more)

I don't have an error code.

I am using TB 152.0.1 on Windows 11 Home 10.0.26200 Build 26200 I want to have TB on my Galaxy Tab 6 lite, and/or Huawei P20. I have the app installed on both devices, but whenever I try to scan the QR code under 'export for mobile', neither device locks onto it.

I know this problem has been reported before, but what I can do to make it work? Is there a setting I need to check/change, what is that setting, and where do I find it?

Grateful for any help, thank you

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Import settings from Mozilla mobile to mozilla desktop

Hello, My main computer died and I am trying to setup Mozilla on a spare laptop. I exported settings from my mobile device but am not seeing a way to import them into t… (read more)

Hello, My main computer died and I am trying to setup Mozilla on a spare laptop. I exported settings from my mobile device but am not seeing a way to import them into the desktop. It created a k9s file but it is not giving that option. What am I doing wrong??

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How do I transfer Thunderbird from my PC to my Mac?

I have been using Thunderbird on my PC for years and when I got my last PC, I found a article to help me move my files. I am now looking for instructions on how to move … (read more)

I have been using Thunderbird on my PC for years and when I got my last PC, I found a article to help me move my files. I am now looking for instructions on how to move my Thunderbird files from the PC to the Mac so I can continue using it as I have been.

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Is there an easy way to switch from BetterBird to Thunderbird?

Someone suggested BetterBird would be better for me than Thunderbird, but I'm not sure it was the right decision. They said I should be able to just open Thunderbird and … (read more)

Someone suggested BetterBird would be better for me than Thunderbird, but I'm not sure it was the right decision. They said I should be able to just open Thunderbird and it should work as they have the same base code, but it doesn't. Any ideas? I have 8 email accounts, so I'd hate to start from scratch.

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How to transfer account colors to other installs

Version 153 brought account colors to the desktop app. Is there any smoother way to transfer just these settings, no more, no less, to other machines, other than copying… (read more)

Version 153 brought account colors to the desktop app.

Is there any smoother way to transfer just these settings, no more, no less, to other machines, other than copying the whole profile? I'm using TB on 3 different pc's, of which one has a special profile.

Right now I made screenshots of all 7 accounts + color. I can do it by hand but that's rather cumbersome.

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Need help recovering my profile from a zip file

Not sure if I picked the correct topic for this... I had to reinstall Windows 11 on my PC as the old copy was corrupt to the point I could not install updates, even with … (read more)

Not sure if I picked the correct topic for this...

I had to reinstall Windows 11 on my PC as the old copy was corrupt to the point I could not install updates, even with Microsoft's help. Before I made the plunge, I used Tools -> Export to create a zip file on my D:. After installing Thuderbird on the rebuilt copy, I went to Tools -> Import to recover everything.

About 19% in, I received error "Import failed unexpectedly, more information may be available in the Error Console." I found the Error Console but don't know how top proceed.

Initial messages: module is not a constructor ExtensionCommon.sys.mjs:1679:15 EmptyDatabaseError: "blocklists/addons-bloomfilters" has not been synced yet Database.sys.mjs:19:5 NS_ERROR_ABORT: Password dialog canceled 2 MsgIncomingServer.sys.mjs:923:24

Messages at the bottom of the console: Uncaught (in promise) NS_ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND: Component returned failure code: 0x80520012 (NS_ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND) [nsIFile.copyTo]

   _recursivelyCopyMsgFolder resource:///modules/ThunderbirdProfileImporter.sys.mjs:781
   _recursivelyCopyMsgFolder resource:///modules/ThunderbirdProfileImporter.sys.mjs:772
   _mergeLocalFolders resource:///modules/ThunderbirdProfileImporter.sys.mjs:745
   _importServersAndAccounts resource:///modules/ThunderbirdProfileImporter.sys.mjs:354

ThunderbirdProfileImporter.sys.mjs:781:19 1785523577301 Toolkit.Telemetry ERROR TelemetrySend::_doPing - error making request to https://incoming-telemetry.thunderbird.net/submit/telemetry/26c785ea-2226-4024-9b0e-cf44ce2860f7/first-shutdown/Thunderbird/153.0.1/release/20260728090639?v=4: eUnreachable Log.sys.mjs:722 1785523577301 Toolkit.Telemetry ERROR TelemetrySend::sendPersistedPings - failed to send ping 26c785ea-2226-4024-9b0e-cf44ce2860f7: {"isTrusted":true} Log.sys.mjs:722 1785523577302 Toolkit.Telemetry ERROR TelemetrySend::_doPing - error making request to https://incoming-telemetry.thunderbird.net/submit/telemetry/bc5b8fd6-8907-4169-9e98-2c732d265c20/main/Thunderbird/153.0.1/release/20260728090639?v=4: eUnreachable Log.sys.mjs:722 1785523577302 Toolkit.Telemetry ERROR TelemetrySend::sendPersistedPings - failed to send ping bc5b8fd6-8907-4169-9e98-2c732d265c20: {"isTrusted":true} Log.sys.mjs:722 1785523577302 Toolkit.Telemetry ERROR TelemetrySend::_doPing - error making request to https://incoming-telemetry.thunderbird.net/submit/telemetry/01ee7ef8-942d-4fbd-a404-debd99ad5e4d/new-profile/Thunderbird/153.0.1/release/20260728090639?v=4: eUnreachable Log.sys.mjs:722 1785523577302 Toolkit.Telemetry ERROR TelemetrySend::sendPersistedPings - failed to send ping 01ee7ef8-942d-4fbd-a404-debd99ad5e4d: {"isTrusted":true} Log.sys.mjs:722 1785523577325 Toolkit.Telemetry ERROR TelemetrySend::_doPing - error making request to https://incoming-telemetry.thunderbird.net/submit/telemetry/1f64b615-ed65-4a65-8853-7bd3e3077b54/health/Thunderbird/153.0.1/release/20260728090639?v=4: eUnreachable Log.sys.mjs:722 1785523577330 Toolkit.Telemetry ERROR TelemetrySend::_doPing - error making request to https://incoming-telemetry.thunderbird.net/submit/telemetry/26c785ea-2226-4024-9b0e-cf44ce2860f7/first-shutdown/Thunderbird/153.0.1/release/20260728090639?v=4: eUnreachable Log.sys.mjs:722 1785523577330 Toolkit.Telemetry ERROR TelemetrySend::sendPersistedPings - failed to send ping 26c785ea-2226-4024-9b0e-cf44ce2860f7: {"isTrusted":true} Log.sys.mjs:722 1785523577331 Toolkit.Telemetry ERROR TelemetrySend::_doPing - error making request to https://incoming-telemetry.thunderbird.net/submit/telemetry/bc5b8fd6-8907-4169-9e98-2c732d265c20/main/Thunderbird/153.0.1/release/20260728090639?v=4: eUnreachable Log.sys.mjs:722 1785523577331 Toolkit.Telemetry ERROR TelemetrySend::sendPersistedPings - failed to send ping bc5b8fd6-8907-4169-9e98-2c732d265c20: {"isTrusted":true} Log.sys.mjs:722 1785523577331 Toolkit.Telemetry ERROR TelemetrySend::_doPing - error making request to https://incoming-telemetry.thunderbird.net/submit/telemetry/01ee7ef8-942d-4fbd-a404-debd99ad5e4d/new-profile/Thunderbird/153.0.1/release/20260728090639?v=4: eUnreachable Log.sys.mjs:722 1785523577331 Toolkit.Telemetry ERROR TelemetrySend::sendPersistedPings - failed to send ping 01ee7ef8-942d-4fbd-a404-debd99ad5e4d: {"isTrusted":true} Log.sys.mjs:722 1785523577334 Toolkit.Telemetry WARN TelemetryStorage::_scanArchive - have seen this id before: 1f64b615-ed65-4a65-8853-7bd3e3077b54, overwrite: false pop3.server1.1: NetworkTimeoutError: a Network error occurred Pop3Client.sys.mjs:381:18 pop3.server1.1: SecurityError info: Pop3Client.sys.mjs:441:20 pop3.server1.1: SecurityError cert chain: imap.email.comcast.net; serial# 5F:F9:03:A2:A2:B8:A3:45:AE:17:FE:A1:C9:15:D6:45 <- Norton Web/Mail Shield Root; serial# 2F:61:CC:98:EC:34:F2:43:99:93:5B:E6:A0:A5:DF:E2 Pop3Client.sys.mjs:446:22 1785523697961 Toolkit.Telemetry ERROR TelemetrySend::_doPing - error making request to https://incoming-telemetry.thunderbird.net/submit/telemetry/1f64b615-ed65-4a65-8853-7bd3e3077b54/health/Thunderbird/153.0.1/release/20260728090639?v=4: eUnreachable Log.sys.mjs:722 1785523697961 Toolkit.Telemetry ERROR TelemetrySend::sendPersistedPings - failed to send ping 1f64b615-ed65-4a65-8853-7bd3e3077b54: {"isTrusted":true} Log.sys.mjs:722 1785523697962 Toolkit.Telemetry ERROR TelemetrySend::_doPing - error making request to https://incoming-telemetry.thunderbird.net/submit/telemetry/26c785ea-2226-4024-9b0e-cf44ce2860f7/first-shutdown/Thunderbird/153.0.1/release/20260728090639?v=4: eUnreachable Log.sys.mjs:722 1785523697962 Toolkit.Telemetry ERROR TelemetrySend::sendPersistedPings - failed to send ping 26c785ea-2226-4024-9b0e-cf44ce2860f7: {"isTrusted":true} Log.sys.mjs:722 1785523697962 Toolkit.Telemetry ERROR TelemetrySend::_doPing - error making request to https://incoming-telemetry.thunderbird.net/submit/telemetry/bc5b8fd6-8907-4169-9e98-2c732d265c20/main/Thunderbird/153.0.1/release/20260728090639?v=4: eUnreachable Log.sys.mjs:722 1785523697962 Toolkit.Telemetry ERROR TelemetrySend::sendPersistedPings - failed to send ping bc5b8fd6-8907-4169-9e98-2c732d265c20: {"isTrusted":true} Log.sys.mjs:722 1785523697963 Toolkit.Telemetry ERROR TelemetrySend::_doPing - error making request to https://incoming-telemetry.thunderbird.net/submit/telemetry/01ee7ef8-942d-4fbd-a404-debd99ad5e4d/new-profile/Thunderbird/153.0.1/release/20260728090639?v=4: eUnreachable Log.sys.mjs:722 1785523697963 Toolkit.Telemetry ERROR TelemetrySend::sendPersistedPings - failed to send ping 01ee7ef8-942d-4fbd-a404-debd99ad5e4d: {"isTrusted":true} Log.sys.mjs:722 1785523947429 Toolkit.Telemetry ERROR TelemetrySend::_doPing - error making request to https://incoming-telemetry.thunderbird.net/submit/telemetry/1f64b615-ed65-4a65-8853-7bd3e3077b54/health/Thunderbird/153.0.1/release/20260728090639?v=4: eUnreachable Log.sys.mjs:722 1785523947429 Toolkit.Telemetry ERROR TelemetrySend::sendPersistedPings - failed to send ping 1f64b615-ed65-4a65-8853-7bd3e3077b54: {"isTrusted":true} Log.sys.mjs:722 1785523947430 Toolkit.Telemetry ERROR TelemetrySend::_doPing - error making request to https://incoming-telemetry.thunderbird.net/submit/telemetry/26c785ea-2226-4024-9b0e-cf44ce2860f7/first-shutdown/Thunderbird/153.0.1/release/20260728090639?v=4: eUnreachable Log.sys.mjs:722 1785523947431 Toolkit.Telemetry ERROR TelemetrySend::sendPersistedPings - failed to send ping 26c785ea-2226-4024-9b0e-cf44ce2860f7: {"isTrusted":true} Log.sys.mjs:722 1785523947431 Toolkit.Telemetry ERROR TelemetrySend::_doPing - error making request to https://incoming-telemetry.thunderbird.net/submit/telemetry/bc5b8fd6-8907-4169-9e98-2c732d265c20/main/Thunderbird/153.0.1/release/20260728090639?v=4: eUnreachable Log.sys.mjs:722 1785523947431 Toolkit.Telemetry ERROR TelemetrySend::sendPersistedPings - failed to send ping bc5b8fd6-8907-4169-9e98-2c732d265c20: {"isTrusted":true} Log.sys.mjs:722 1785523947431 Toolkit.Telemetry ERROR TelemetrySend::_doPing - error making request to https://incoming-telemetry.thunderbird.net/submit/telemetry/01ee7ef8-942d-4fbd-a404-debd99ad5e4d/new-profile/Thunderbird/153.0.1/release/20260728090639?v=4: eUnreachable Log.sys.mjs:722 1785523947431 Toolkit.Telemetry ERROR TelemetrySend::sendPersistedPings - failed to send ping 01ee7ef8-942d-4fbd-a404-debd99ad5e4d: {"isTrusted":true} Log.sys.mjs:722

I have an image copy of my old installation. Can I simply locate the Thunderbird profile on the backup and restore it?

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How to transfer profiles from a hard drive to Thunderbird on PC

Hi all I have the good C:drive out of a failed computer which is now unusable, with my profiles on for that PC. They go back a while and are useful for referring to. Ther… (read more)

Hi all

I have the good C:drive out of a failed computer which is now unusable, with my profiles on for that PC. They go back a while and are useful for referring to. There is some important information there. How do I move them to the current PC? N.B. I have been using the current PC for a couple of weeks and already have quite a few emails on it which I would like to keep.

Suggestions please Thank you Keith

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What specific directories and files in my profile do I need to keep / move if I reinstall Thunderbird.

I have been using Thunderbird for 20+ years, maybe as many as 30. Forever. I have moved my profile across several versions of Windows and multiple computers. There are fi… (read more)

I have been using Thunderbird for 20+ years, maybe as many as 30. Forever. I have moved my profile across several versions of Windows and multiple computers. There are files in the root of the profile with a modified date of 2009. There may be older ones in sub-directories. There are 18 folders and 125 files. I suspect a lot of this is clutter left over from earlier versions of Thunderbird. In the Mail folder alone there are several hundred files and folders excluding the WDSEML files and actual emails.

I'm toying with the idea of starting fresh with a clean install of Thunderbird and getting on the correct release channel but I don't want to bring along what appear to be hundreds or thousands of unused files and folders.

I there anyone that can identify what profile files and folders to keep and what can be deleted?

Thanks for your consideration.

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transfer and manage message filters between accounts

Hi all! Years back, I created my first account using POP3 when IMAP storage was expensive. Over the years I added many message filters to organize my tasks. Now I'd like … (read more)

Hi all!

Years back, I created my first account using POP3 when IMAP storage was expensive. Over the years I added many message filters to organize my tasks. Now I'd like to switch to IMAP and found everything I need, except for how to move/convert/copy my message filters. So my question is how can I transfer my message filters when recreating the account using IMAP? (I have a lot of filters, recreating them is no good option...)

I also noticed, that I have some filters for "Local Folders" and some for my POP3 account. Whats you're recommendation for that? Merge them into a single list assigned to the account? How can I do that?

Pauliman

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Where is the profile folder in the flatpak version of Thunderbird?

Hi, I just installed Elementary OS on a Dell M6800. The OS runs well, and I have multiple email accounts, so I installed Thunderbird from the Elementary AppCenter. It sho… (read more)

Hi, I just installed Elementary OS on a Dell M6800. The OS runs well, and I have multiple email accounts, so I installed Thunderbird from the Elementary AppCenter. It showed up as a flatpak install, but I went ahead.

Now, in the past when I tried to replace the .default-release file with one from another machine and rename it with the new filename (which is what I've always done to transfer my multiple emails and address book),

I went to the usual place, which has always been /home/myusername/.thunderbird/whatever.default-release, but it wasn't there. Going to Help/Troubleshooting Information/about:profiles shows it there, but won't open it when clicked on.

The only place I could find it was in /home/myusername/.var/app/org.mozilla.thunderbird/cache/thunderbird. But when I replaced and renamed the .default-release file there, and then restarted the app, I still did not have my old data. How do I go about this with a flatpak installation? Thanks in advance.

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Current PC runs Windows 7, Thunderbird version 115.18.0esr (32-bit). New PC runs Windows 11 with Thunderbird version 153.0.3 (64-bit). How do I transfer the data?

I tried the instructions at https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/moving-thunderbird-data-to-a-new-computer, and watched the video. Copied and pasted exactly as instructe… (read more)

I tried the instructions at https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/moving-thunderbird-data-to-a-new-computer, and watched the video. Copied and pasted exactly as instructed - nothing happened. Is it possible to transfer the data, including message filters and in-box folders, to the new PC? Old PC: version 115.18.0 esr (32-bit) - on Windows 7 New PC: version 153.0.3 (64-bit) - on Windows 11 Or is this data transfer impossible due to incompatibility of the different Thunderbird versions? Thanks. I also tried transferring the data from the old PC to a slightly newer laptop on Windows 10, utilising Thunderbird version 140.13.0 esr (32-bit). Nothing happened there either. Is it a lost cause? Do I just go ahead and create new message filters on the new PC and forget about trying to transfer the data and associated rules? Maybe that's the way to go for me. Thanks.

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Transfer Thunderbird from PC to Laptop

I am trying to run Thunderbird on my laptop. I currently have it on my PC and my Phone. I just installed Thunderbird on my laptop and zipped my profile (60GB). I tried… (read more)

I am trying to run Thunderbird on my laptop. I currently have it on my PC and my Phone. I just installed Thunderbird on my laptop and zipped my profile (60GB). I tried to open the zip file to make sure it was good. I could not open it, so i did not transfer it. I was looking for an easy way to get all my email accounts and passwords onto my Laptop. I would appreciate any help. Thanks! Kelly

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