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Must add option to disable the version 89 Proton UI in the VIEW menu - it is awful for Desktop + Mouse.

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Hello, it is enough to search "version 89 visuals" in the help forum to find dozens of topic complaining how awful it looks, and the reduced functionality, content on screen and efficiency.

Luckily in one of the threads I found solution, and links to articles to fix most of the biggest issues:

As a temporary tactic to buy time, you can use a preference to revert the tab bar to its older appearance. This is just for Firefox 89, so you have a month to keep an eye out for the next workaround. To set that up: (1) In a new tab, type or paste about:config in the address bar and press Enter/Return. Click the button accepting the risk. (2) In the search box in the page, type or paste proton (or full browser.proton.enabled) (3) Double-click the preference to switch between true (new Proton style) and false (old Photon style) Since this was kept in just for testing, there might be some occasional glitches.

Here the options I changed - set false to all.

   browser.proton.contextmenus.enabled
   browser.proton.doorhangers.enabled
   browser.proton.enabled
   browser.proton.modals.enabled
   browser.proton.places-tooltip.enabled

+ even further reduction of the spaces -> browser.uidensity -> 1

I expect the new Proton view is inspired by touch screens - and is more optimized for tablets, giving more space around individual options, with extra space around them - to make sure you hit the right option with your finger. The downside is we get less visible options on the screen, as now each option takes more space - and it is absolutely awful and less visible for people using desktop mode, and using the more precise mouse and/or keyboard.

And here a list of the problems and annoyances in V89, and why they are a problem (and these are only the ones I noticed so far - attached is a screenshot collage of the issues.

1. Tabs which play audio no longer show that they play audio, unless I hover on top of them - which is a big problem if you have 20 tabs, and are searching which one auto-played some audio. In the previous version each tab playing audio had the audio icon on top of it. 2. My bookmarks take much more space on my screen, and while previously I organized them to fit perfectly to it, now are going outside of it, and I have to (unnecessarily) scroll to find more. 3. On YouTube There was a "delete video" button next to each video in my "watch later" list, and I was able to quickly delete the watched ones. Now I have to click on the 3 dots, and then on the trash bin button to delete. Much slower an annoying. Return to the old vision (sadly I cannot find a way to fix this yet)

This totally failed visualization must IMMEDIATELY be reversed, and you must add option in the VIEW menu - which switches between the old DESKTOP view (version 88 style), and new TABLET view (V89 style).

And it must not be allowed that you disable the browser.proton.enabled option in the next update, as this will force us to use only the new awful view, and give us 3 options:

1. Revert to 88. I have already backed up my profile, and downloaded it, in case V90 ruins the view permanently. This also opens us to security risks - so I can allow this for no more than 2-3 months, in hope you fix this fail. 2. Switch browser. Move to Vivaldi (which I use at work) or Brave, if you refuse to fix the fail. 3. Accept the awful view - not going to happen to me. I am using Mozilla since Netscape, but this fail is infuriating enough to make me switch if made permanent / even worse.

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Modified by b.gyulmezov

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Thanks for your feedback.

b.gyulmezov said

And here a list of the problems and annoyances in V89, and why they are a problem (and these are only the ones I noticed so far - attached is a screenshot collage of the issues. 1. Tabs which play audio no longer show that they play audio, unless I hover on top of them - which is a big problem if you have 20 tabs, and are searching which one auto-played some audio. In the previous version each tab playing audio had the audio icon on top of it.

With Normal density, a second line appears below the page name in the tab with the status (playing/muted). The speaker button doesn't appear until you hover the tab and it takes the place of the site icon.

With Compact density, the second line is suppressed, so I'm not quite sure what indication you get.

2. My bookmarks take much more space on my screen, and while previously I organized them to fit perfectly to it, now are going outside of it, and I have to (unnecessarily) scroll to find more.

This is a pain point for many users.

3. On YouTube There was a "delete video" button next to each video in my "watch later" list, and I was able to quickly delete the watched ones. Now I have to click on the 3 dots, and then on the trash bin button to delete. Much slower an annoying. Return to the old vision (sadly I cannot find a way to fix this yet)

I don't think this is a Firefox change. Could it be related to your zoom level?

And it must not be allowed that you disable the browser.proton.enabled option in the next update, as this will force us to use only the new awful view, and give us 3 options:

Well, there is one more option, which is to use a userChrome.css file to make modifications. That rabbit hole is a bit deep for today, but you'll find numerous creative users developing alternate skins for Firefox 89. Here's an example: https://github.com/black7375/Firefox-UI-Fix/blob/master/README.org

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jscher2000 said

Thanks for your feedback.
With Normal density, a second line appears below the page name in the tab with the status (playing/muted). The speaker button doesn't appear until you hover the tab and it takes the place of the site icon. With Compact density, the second line is suppressed, so I'm not quite sure what indication you get.

Well I had not tampered with that setting until now, so it is what is happening by default. The disappeared sound indicator is big inconvenience.

3. On YouTube There was a "delete video" button next to each video in my "watch later" list, and I was able to quickly delete the watched ones. I don't think this is a Firefox change. Could it be related to your zoom level?

It is not related to zoom, it is one of the things I attempted. I had the same setting, had the delete button visible - and as soon as I moved to V89 I noticed I can no longer delete watched videos fast and conveniently. Either V89 related, or Youtube changed something in the same time - because it is the same in Chrome.

Well, there is one more option, which is to use a userChrome.css file to make modifications. That rabbit hole is a bit deep for today, but you'll find numerous creative users developing alternate skins for Firefox 89. Here's an example: https://github.com/black7375/Firefox-UI-Fix/blob/master/README.org

I guess I will also try this if Proton becomes permanent in the upcoming versions. For the moment disabling it does the job, only the delete button is annoying - but on the other hand not so unacceptably annoying.

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Proton is awful, please let it be disabled by desktop users in future updates.

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b.gyulmezov NAILED IT. It looks like these changes were aimed at users with touchscreens and smartphones. I don't have a smartphone and have no intentions of getting one. I am FAIL at using touchscreens, so I am sticking with my component PC - no tablet for me.

I do not have Compact Mode here in v.88 - it sounds like it would help. I DO NOT SPEAK FLUENT IT GEEK, so I am not comfortable making all these changes in CSS. PLEASE pass this info to Mozilla. There are 27 pages to date in the list of complaints about this update - that should tell them how many people do not like it.

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fidservant said

I do not have Compact Mode here in v.88 - it sounds like it would help. I DO NOT SPEAK FLUENT IT GEEK, so I am not comfortable making all these changes in CSS.

In Firefox 88, Compact is already available on the Density selector in Customize. In Firefox 89, you need to change a preference to make it available.

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jscher2000

In Version 88, I am using Normal density which is FINE. Also I've noticed the "make bookmark" star has become three dots - MORE scrolling.

I do not want CSS work-arounds - I want in option in FF to fix this.

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fidservant said

In Version 88, I am using Normal density which is FINE. Also I've noticed the "make bookmark" star has become three dots - MORE scrolling.

In Firefox 57-88, there is a Page Actions menu (•••) in the address bar. To duplicate one of the items from the menu to an icon next to the menu button, right-click the item and choose Add to Address Bar.

In Firefox 89, the Page Actions menu was removed and the only item from that menu left in the address bar is the bookmark star. If you need help finding the other items, here's a list: Forum Response - Meatball menu removal.

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b.gyulmezov said

jscher2000 said

With Normal density, a second line appears below the page name in the tab with the status (playing/muted). The speaker button doesn't appear until you hover the tab and it takes the place of the site icon.

With Compact density, the second line is suppressed, so I'm not quite sure what indication you get.

Well I had not tampered with that setting until now, so it is what is happening by default.

The disappeared sound indicator is big inconvenience.

In another thread, I created an example of using userChrome.css rules to make the mute/unmute button visible without hovering. I know that isn't convenient, but if you decide you want to take a look:

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1338919#answer-1421286

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Hi everyone, It doesn't look like the person who posted the original question is going to respond, and others seem to be using this thread for there own issues, so I'm going to lock this thread.

For better help, it would be best to use https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/new where volunteers can get more details about your setup.