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Love version 2.0.0.24, is a networking update an option?

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I love Thunderbird version 2.0.0.24, before any of the UI changes happened. The only challenge, is the notorious error message "Thunderbird can't connect securely to <named_website> because the site uses a security protocol which isn't enabled". The only solution I have found for this, is to update to a later version (which does not have the clean UI). I have gone though all of them, and its not an option.

So, is there anyway to get an update to version 2.0.0.24 (retaining the clean UI), with this networking fix?

Thank you, Martin

I love Thunderbird version 2.0.0.24, before any of the UI changes happened. The only challenge, is the notorious error message "Thunderbird can't connect securely to <named_website> because the site uses a security protocol which isn't enabled". The only solution I have found for this, is to update to a later version (which does not have the clean UI). I have gone though all of them, and its not an option. So, is there anyway to get an update to version 2.0.0.24 (retaining the clean UI), with this networking fix? Thank you, Martin

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Ok, Matt: 1, Martin: 0. Even my son, would appreciate that! :)

Since you do not have access to MacOS, I downloaded Thunderbird 68.1.0 (64-bit) for OSX, and miraculously the "small yellow asterisk" for each incoming email, is back! That's great! I have been fighting this battle for years, and there was a (large) period of time, where it was missing from the Mac version. I tried to pull up my prior Mozzila Support conversations regarding this, but since you have updated the system, that history is gone.

Thanks again. Hopefully the feature remains for OSX.

Martin

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No, there isn't. Note, when connecting to the server without encryption you're always sending your password in the clear.

No, there isn't. Note, when connecting to the server without encryption you're always sending your password in the clear.

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Thanks Chris, but these error messages are not coming from the mail server, they are coming from content within emails, mostly on the advertising side.

1) Is there a way to turn off content server queries when receiving emails? If I am curious about a specific piece of content, I can either go to the site, or view the specific email in a web browser window. Note, that this would be different, than just HTML/Text formatting.

2) Is the source code for version 2.0.0.24 available, so I can at least disable the annoying message?

Martin

Thanks Chris, but these error messages are not coming from the mail server, they are coming from content within emails, mostly on the advertising side. 1) Is there a way to turn off content server queries when receiving emails? If I am curious about a specific piece of content, I can either go to the site, or view the specific email in a web browser window. Note, that this would be different, than just HTML/Text formatting. 2) Is the source code for version 2.0.0.24 available, so I can at least disable the annoying message? Martin
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Is there a way to turn off content server queries when receiving emails?

There is an 'Allow remote content in messages' setting in recent versions of Thunderbird. I don't remember whether this was already available in v2.0.0.24. Possibly not.

Is the source code for version 2.0.0.24 available

Thunderbird is open source software, so the source code is available somewhere. Where exactly, and how to access it, I can't help you with. Beyond that, you'd also need to build a binary from the source, which is far from being trivial.

Having said that, I doubt there is anything to win for you here in the long term when staying on such an ancient version. I don't know what your gripes are about the current GUI, but it really hasn't changed that much since v2.0.0.24. So it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to me to put much effort in staying on that old version for little or no benefit at all.

<blockquote> Is there a way to turn off content server queries when receiving emails? </blockquote> There is an 'Allow remote content in messages' setting in recent versions of Thunderbird. I don't remember whether this was already available in v2.0.0.24. Possibly not. <blockquote> Is the source code for version 2.0.0.24 available </blockquote> Thunderbird is open source software, so the source code is available somewhere. Where exactly, and how to access it, I can't help you with. Beyond that, you'd also need to build a binary from the source, which is far from being trivial. Having said that, I doubt there is anything to win for you here in the long term when staying on such an ancient version. I don't know what your gripes are about the current GUI, but it really hasn't changed that much since v2.0.0.24. So it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to me to put much effort in staying on that old version for little or no benefit at all.
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Chris, thanks for your continued feedback.

1) I did not find the 'Allow remote content in messages' setting in my v2.0.0.24.

2) Because the Windows version of Thunderbird is the only email client I have found with the cherished "incoming email" icon, and I do development on a Mac, I run the Thunderbird client inside Parallels Desktop. Given that UI cleanliness and use of space is paramount. What I don't like about the UI after v2, are Tabs and the Expanded Header. The so-called plugins to have Classic Buttons, did not work. I also don't like the "Windows'ish blue coloring etc.

The real answer here, would be a Mac version of Thunderbird, with the "incoming email" icon, but I understand that Apple sued Mozilla over this function, and it was pulled. Is that correct, and/or is there anyway to get it back?

Martin

Chris, thanks for your continued feedback. 1) I did not find the 'Allow remote content in messages' setting in my v2.0.0.24. 2) Because the Windows version of Thunderbird is the only email client I have found with the cherished "incoming email" icon, and I do development on a Mac, I run the Thunderbird client inside Parallels Desktop. Given that UI cleanliness and use of space is paramount. What I don't like about the UI after v2, are Tabs and the Expanded Header. The so-called plugins to have Classic Buttons, did not work. I also don't like the "Windows'ish blue coloring etc. The real answer here, would be a Mac version of Thunderbird, with the "incoming email" icon, but I understand that Apple sued Mozilla over this function, and it was pulled. Is that correct, and/or is there anyway to get it back? Martin
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There has been a compact header add-on since V3, it was released at the time V3 was released to shrink the header back to it's original size. As for tabs, get over it and move on. The tabs are in the space V2 uses for a windows heading/name so it is not as if that uses your valuable space. It you used a mac version you would still have all that stuff and a menu, but that is to comply with the way OSX looks, not because anyone other than apple like the look.

I listened to lots of gripping back at the time V3 release and honestly, most of it was "I don't like change" not anything concrete at all. So much gripping that I wrote a blog post on how o change most of the major things. https://thunderbirdtweaks.blogspot.com/2010/08/changes-and-addons-in-version-3-to-make.html That some 9 years later there is still someone using V2 is in itself a worry. Lots of security issues with V2, as well as some HTML/MIME issues

I have exactly no idea what a "incoming mail icon" is. I know there is a dock icon with a number for unread mail. That is lots more than I like. I like nothing interfering. No notifications at all.

There has been a compact header add-on since V3, it was released at the time V3 was released to shrink the header back to it's original size. As for tabs, get over it and move on. The tabs are in the space V2 uses for a windows heading/name so it is not as if that uses your valuable space. It you used a mac version you would still have all that stuff and a menu, but that is to comply with the way OSX looks, not because anyone other than apple like the look. I listened to lots of gripping back at the time V3 release and honestly, most of it was "I don't like change" not anything concrete at all. So much gripping that I wrote a blog post on how o change most of the major things. https://thunderbirdtweaks.blogspot.com/2010/08/changes-and-addons-in-version-3-to-make.html That some 9 years later there is still someone using V2 is in itself a worry. Lots of security issues with V2, as well as some HTML/MIME issues I have exactly no idea what a "incoming mail icon" is. I know there is a dock icon with a number for unread mail. That is lots more than I like. I like nothing interfering. No notifications at all.
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Matt, thanks for your input. It truly is not "griping", as you would call it. I have a 9 year old son, so I know what gripping/whining really is.

So, its concerning that you don't know what the "incoming mail icon" is. Perhaps that is not the official name, but it is: 1) the paramount difference between Thunderbird, and other email clients, and 2) the small yellow "sun'ish" indicator on each incoming email, that it has arrived since the last query. I run my business via email, don't read (or mark read) every email that comes in, and use it to separate what is new, vs not.

I have not found any other email client that has this, and sadly, it was apparently pulled from the Mac version, based on litigation from Apple.

Lastly, if you can help, please do. If not, please don't fill the support section with your personal comments.

Matt, thanks for your input. It truly is not "griping", as you would call it. I have a 9 year old son, so I know what gripping/whining really is. So, its concerning that you don't know what the "incoming mail icon" is. Perhaps that is not the official name, but it is: 1) the paramount difference between Thunderbird, and other email clients, and 2) the small yellow "sun'ish" indicator on each incoming email, that it has arrived since the last query. I run my business via email, don't read (or mark read) every email that comes in, and use it to separate what is new, vs not. I have not found any other email client that has this, and sadly, it was apparently pulled from the Mac version, based on litigation from Apple. Lastly, if you can help, please do. If not, please don't fill the support section with your personal comments.
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Matt, thanks for your input. It truly is not "griping", as you would call it. I have a 9 year old son, so I know what gripping/whining really is. So, its concerning that you don't know what the "incoming mail icon" is. Perhaps that is not the official name, but it is: 1) the paramount difference between Thunderbird, and other email clients, and 2) the small yellow "sun'ish" indicator on each incoming email, that it has arrived since the last query. I run my business via email, don't read (or mark read) every email that comes in, and use it to separate what is new, vs not. I have not found any other email client that has this, and sadly, it was apparently pulled from the Mac version, based on litigation from Apple. Lastly, if you can help, please do. If not, please don't fill the support section with your personal comments.

Here is the help. Use a supported version. This thread exists because you do not.

Instead you are offering to fill the support section with support problems caused by you using a 10 year old version of the software that does not have support for modern encryption and is therefore failing. Thunderbird version 2 is not supported, and while christ1 may be happy offering pointers on it. it does not change the fact that it is unsupported software and represents a security risk.

AFAIK all Thunderbird operating system versions have a new mail indicator, given you are using a 10 year old windows version in an emulator you really know no more than I do about what the mac version looks like or does. I don't have any apple products to look at, that is also a personal issue so I will not go into it. You do.

I have never heard of any litigation, but I have only been involved in the project for 10 years. Perhaps Christ1 recalls it. I certainly can find nothing in google on the subject.

My understanding is Thunderbird has a different color for folder names with new unseen mail in them (blue on windows). There is also a small yellow asterisk on the icon for the folder in windows. If the asterisk appear in MacOS I have no idea, but the color change should be a constant. Then each mail has an asterisk beside it when you select the folder. My understanding is this will also be a constant. But all three things are defined in CSS so if one theme does not have it, others for MacOS will.

''drmjsommer [[#answer-1253369|said]]'' <blockquote> Matt, thanks for your input. It truly is not "griping", as you would call it. I have a 9 year old son, so I know what gripping/whining really is. So, its concerning that you don't know what the "incoming mail icon" is. Perhaps that is not the official name, but it is: 1) the paramount difference between Thunderbird, and other email clients, and 2) the small yellow "sun'ish" indicator on each incoming email, that it has arrived since the last query. I run my business via email, don't read (or mark read) every email that comes in, and use it to separate what is new, vs not. I have not found any other email client that has this, and sadly, it was apparently pulled from the Mac version, based on litigation from Apple. Lastly, if you can help, please do. If not, please don't fill the support section with your personal comments. </blockquote> Here is the help. Use a supported version. This thread exists because you do not. Instead you are offering to fill the support section with support problems caused by you using a 10 year old version of the software that does not have support for modern encryption and is therefore failing. Thunderbird version 2 is not supported, and while christ1 may be happy offering pointers on it. it does not change the fact that it is unsupported software and represents a security risk. AFAIK all Thunderbird operating system versions have a new mail indicator, given you are using a 10 year old windows version in an emulator you really know no more than I do about what the mac version looks like or does. I don't have any apple products to look at, that is also a personal issue so I will not go into it. You do. I have never heard of any litigation, but I have only been involved in the project for 10 years. Perhaps Christ1 recalls it. I certainly can find nothing in google on the subject. My understanding is Thunderbird has a different color for folder names with new unseen mail in them (blue on windows). There is also a small yellow asterisk on the icon for the folder in windows. If the asterisk appear in MacOS I have no idea, but the color change should be a constant. Then each mail has an asterisk beside it when you select the folder. My understanding is this will also be a constant. But all three things are defined in CSS so if one theme does not have it, others for MacOS will.
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Ok, Matt: 1, Martin: 0. Even my son, would appreciate that! :)

Since you do not have access to MacOS, I downloaded Thunderbird 68.1.0 (64-bit) for OSX, and miraculously the "small yellow asterisk" for each incoming email, is back! That's great! I have been fighting this battle for years, and there was a (large) period of time, where it was missing from the Mac version. I tried to pull up my prior Mozzila Support conversations regarding this, but since you have updated the system, that history is gone.

Thanks again. Hopefully the feature remains for OSX.

Martin

Ok, Matt: 1, Martin: 0. Even my son, would appreciate that! :) Since you do not have access to MacOS, I downloaded Thunderbird 68.1.0 (64-bit) for OSX, and miraculously the "small yellow asterisk" for each incoming email, is back! That's great! I have been fighting this battle for years, and there was a (large) period of time, where it was missing from the Mac version. I tried to pull up my prior Mozzila Support conversations regarding this, but since you have updated the system, that history is gone. Thanks again. Hopefully the feature remains for OSX. Martin
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FWIW I also have found the new mail indicator to work more reliably in recent versions.

FWIW I also have found the new mail indicator to work more reliably in recent versions.
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