... endlessly frustrating. Look how squashed Search is now. And ... this is unbelievable ... there is neither Space nor Flexible Space in the "Customise" menu.

Every step entails some regression.

BenTrem said

You decided I shouldn't have the option of AddOn bar?

This is true, there is no Add-ons bar in Firefox 29 or later, and the extensions that could inject arbitrary structural code into Firefox's interface no longer work in Firefox 57 or later. A proposal was filed in the bug tracking system to allow add-ons to create new bars, but I don't know if that will proceed.

I can move Google up to sit to the right of Menu items. Do you allow me to do that with Location bar? nope.

The Location bar is fixed to the main toolbar, that is true. I don't know whether there are CSS hack-arounds to change that.

None of the Tabs on Bottom addons work?

You can reorder the bars so the Tabs bar appears below the main Navigation Toolbar and/or Bookmarks Toolbar using custom CSS rules in a userChrome.css file. For example:

https://www.userchrome.org/what-is-userchrome-css.html#movetabbar

Session manager (which I use many times every hour) has no replacement? (I've used that addon many times per hour for years. With v61? "IndexedDB not available"

There are several new session management extensions. A major difference is that extensions in Firefox 57+ are restricted in where they can store data on disk. Unless they offer a companion program to write to other folders (downloader add-ons often do this) they either write to a structured data file name storage.js or to a database file.

The IndexedDB database files do not work if you set Firefox to open in automatic private browsing. But if you are using automatic private browsing, you probably don't save sessions. So I'm not sure what is causing the error in your case.

p.s. I notice this platform decides NO, I am not allowed to include line-breaks. Paragraph breaks or nothing.

You can use the HTML <br> tag to create a line break. You also can start a line with a * and a space to create a bullet if you want to display a bulleted list.

I copied my entire v56 Firefox directory. I also copied the profile I was using. After reverting away from v61, I found that ... yup .. v56 look was frabbed. Where did those ugly square tabs come from?

Firefox has "Australis"-style curved tabs from Firefox 29-56. If you have squared tabs in Firefox 56, could it be that you use the Classic Theme Restorer extension with some default settings?

How come Addons bar can't be removed even when it's empty? How come it isn't listed as active when there are items in it?

Firefox doesn't have an Add-ons bar, so I don't have any idea what's going on there. The bars normally listed on the Toolbars list (e.g., right-click the Tabs bar) are Menu Bar and Bookmarks Toolbar. In Firefox 56 and earlier, if an extension created a toolbar, it could be added to that list.

BenTrem said

Look how squashed Search is now.

You moved the classic Search Bar to the left end of the Bookmarks Toolbar, before the "Bookmarks Toolbar Items"? The auto-sizing logic of the Search Bar might not work on that bar, or when combined with "Bookmarks Toolbar Items". As a workaround, you could apply a custom style rule in a userChrome.css file to guarantee a minimum width. Someone might already have posted code for that; I haven't checked. A good site to find CSS workarounds is:

https://www.reddit.com/r/FirefoxCSS/

Hi, why not give it a chance. Change is always startling at 1st. A new car never stays new. Am sure you did not like Windows 10 either. Why not ask what you can do and see if it is possible since Firefox can be customized 250million ways now. This is able to produce faster and less add-on crashes as per below.

Need to take 15mins and read how to move your Search Bar up to the Menu Bar as it is done with userChrome (Note userChrome has been in Firefox since before they stole the name for their browser)

• https://www.howtogeek.com/334716/how-to-customize-firefoxs-user-interface-with-userchrome.css/
• https://www.userchrome.org/what-is-userchrome-css.html

Find move the search bar to the menu bar here : https://www.reddit.com/r/FirefoxCSS/comments/8atyic/can_someone_help_me_make_firefox_quantum_look/

I do not understand the Addon-Bar it will populate as you add Extensions. There is no separate Add-on Bar, there is also a Over Flow Menu for Add-ons as well as the Bookmark Toolbar

Tabs on Bottom : https://www.reddit.com/r/FirefoxCSS/comments/6xyyy5/request_tabs_on_the_bottom_of_the_entire_firefox/

Location / Address Bar , Directional movement : You can only have the location/address bar customizable and be able to move it if you use the Classic Theme Restorer exception. By default the location bar is fixed to the Navigation Toolbar and can't be moved.

You wanted Controls and things to move this is how you move them by the 3 Bar Menu --> Customize : https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/customize-firefox-controls-buttons-and-toolbars

Session Managers : https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/search/?platform=windows&q=%20Session%20manager

Line breaks here, seems you have line breaks in your question.

Square tab is new some people did not like them and some do as it is change. If want rounded photon-australis tabs userChrome can change them as per 2nd URL from top.

Pretty good for a free browser don't you think.

Let us know what you would like to move and will try to help you as well can find code here :

• https://www.reddit.com/r/FirefoxCSS/

>SyncLoss< I've been customizing FF since before it was FF.

Addendum: I now find that FF refuses to register as Default Browser.

BenTrem said

I've been customizing FF since before it was FF.

Cool. I only started around version 0.8.

Addendum: I now find that FF refuses to register as Default Browser.

Windows 10 sometimes makes this harder than it needs to be... I don't have any tips or tricks of my own for that OS. I assume you've seen/tried: How to change your default browser to Firefox on Windows.

You should not be running Firefox 56. 61.0.2 or later is all your computer should be running, lower versions are not safe.

jscher2000 said

I assume you've seen/tried: How to change your default browser to Firefox on Windows.

Yup. That's the stuff that didn't work.

I just snooped Registry. Nothing obviously wrong, and I know better than to just hack away!

I did find on thing ... "C:\Program Files (x86)\Mozilla Maintenance Service\maintenanceservice.exe" "Assures that the newest and most secure version" yada-blah. I renamed that directory, so I'm pretty sure that repeated / insistent "Out of date" notification will be stopped.

Tyler Downer said

You should not be running Firefox 56. 61.0.2 or later is all your computer should be running, lower versions are not safe.

I'm running 56.0.2 and want to protect that installation. That's the point.

Addendum: CTRL-LeftClick a link ... opens in a new tab but stays on the original, right? nope ... not any more ... moves directly to the newly opened tab. FIXED ... one more thing to google about; one more thing to twiddle in about:config ... entropy ...

"Update" is a disease. (I haven't mentioned how all the sites I visited in my work today appear in history in an unusable format. moz-extension://0ef1d88d-09ad-4f9b-a2a5-c3e20d26b3b2/replaced/replaced.html?state=redirect&title=(1)%20How%20correcting%20for%20cognitive%20biases%20makes%20life%20more%20fair%20%7C%20Michael%20Li%20-%20YouTube&url=https%3A//www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D0BLjQHRIJ9o%26feature%3Dpush-u-sub%26attr_tag%3DX8kJCpiVAT4RIlX8%253A6&favIconUrl=https%3A//s.ytimg.com/yts/img/favicon_144-vfliLAfaB.png

I know that's because of my favorite AddOn. But point stands: updating just wasted time for poor end result as well as polluting my original install.

BenTrem said

CTRL-LeftClick a link ... opens in a new tab but stays on the original, right? nope ... not any more ... moves directly to the newly opened tab.

Check/adjust these preferences as desired:

(1) In a new tab, type or paste about:config in the address bar and press Enter/Return. Click the button promising to be careful or accepting the risk.

(2) In the search box above the list, type or paste inback and pause while the list is filtered

• browser.tabs.loadInBackground => covers non-targeted links, default is true
• browser.tabs.loadDivertedInBackground => covers links that normally open in a new window but Firefox opens in a new tab instead, default is false

Editorial Comment: It wouldn't take a lot longer to implement volunteers' suggestions than to post gripes about them, especially when you are experienced with Firefox. If you decide to try again, you'll have this thread as a starting point.

jscher2000 said

(1) In a new tab, type or paste about:config in the address bar and press Enter/Return. Click the button promising to be careful or accepting the risk.

Very kind of you.

BenTrem said

jscher2000 said

(1) In a new tab, type or paste about:config in the address bar and press Enter/Return. Click the button promising to be careful or accepting the risk.

You're right ... that's true ... I just came back to edit my comment; I was toggling that as you were typing this!

Very kind of you.

p.s. I wrote a couple of macros and refactored that mox-extension data into a long list of clickable links. Another person would have just had to suffer the loss. 185 "moz-extension" links I recovered with this.

BenTrem said

p.s. I wrote a couple of macros and refactored that mox-extension data into a long list of clickable links. Another person would have just had to suffer the loss. 185 "moz-extension" links I recovered with this.

I can't recall it coming up here before. Perhaps for the average user, reinstalling the session management extension that created those links would have been a convenient workaround? Hopefully we won't have to find out.

jscher2000 said

BenTrem said

p.s. I wrote a couple of macros and refactored that mox-extension data into a long list of clickable links. ...

I can't recall it coming up here before. Perhaps for the average user, reinstalling the session management extension that created those links would have been a convenient workaround? Hopefully we won't have to find out.

Addendum: "Always check" is greyed out. I'd have toggled that to see if it was all working well. Would have ... but cannot.

Anyhow ... 2, 3 hours later 56.0.2 is humming along and I've recovered my data.

After years / decades I now absolutely vow: I'm done. More than fed up. One more outage and I will (24 years since Mosaic 0.62b) entirely abandon this browser. (FWIW I recall when NS went from v3.0 ... which was absolutely fabulous, definitely ready for mission critical ... was shifted over to 3.5. A ghastly set of regressive design decisions; that pretty much signalled the end of that species.)

p.s. <strike>even after pains-taking session with RegEdit v56 still fails as Default. Used "Open With", used Settings, used "Default" in FF ... ever launch it asks Y/N on default browser. /Even /after// I toggled "Always check".</strike> Something I did cleared this problem. Alas, after X amount of frustration I kinda stop keeping note, so I dunno what ...

Addendum: I wanted to toggle "Always check" to confirm that this is all working well. But that option is grayed out, so I cannot.