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Why is it that, after the latest update (46.0), the Show All Bookmarks command takes me to the Unsorted Bookmarks tab?

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The Unsorted Bookmarks tab sounds like the last place a window should open to.

The Unsorted Bookmarks tab sounds like the last place a window should open to.

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Wa2011f 6 solutions 21 answers

It was decided here: »Show all Bookmarks« should show unsorted bookmarks by default

"When inexperienced users search for their bookmarks (which go to unsorted by default), they often click Show all Bookmarks."

It was decided here: [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1098468 »Show all Bookmarks« should show unsorted bookmarks by default] "When inexperienced users search for their bookmarks (which go to unsorted by default), they often click Show all Bookmarks."
longtime_firebird_user 0 solutions 12 answers

I agree totally with the OP. For experienced FF users who actually know how to use bookmarks and make extensive use of them, this change is both backwards and completely arbitrary. Whereas previously I was able to swiftly and smoothly access my bookmarks through simple keyboard commands (ctrl+shift+b -> up/down arrow keys from the selected-by-default bookmarks menu tab), I now have to manually click the desired tabs, since I am auto-directed to the useless & empty "unsorted bookmarks" tab.

Is there any way to remediate this situation, or at least safely regress to a previous FF iteration such as 45.0?

I agree totally with the OP. For ''experienced ''FF users who actually know how to use bookmarks and make extensive use of them, this change is both backwards and completely arbitrary. Whereas previously I was able to swiftly and smoothly access my bookmarks through simple keyboard commands (ctrl+shift+b -> up/down arrow keys from the selected-by-default bookmarks menu tab), I now have to manually click the desired tabs, since I am auto-directed to the useless & empty "unsorted bookmarks" tab. Is there any way to remediate this situation, or at least safely regress to a previous FF iteration such as 45.0?
jscher2000
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Hi longtime_firebird_user, I'm just learning of this change from this thread, so I don't know if there is a way to undo it.

In the meantime, you can access the Bookmarks Menu or Bookmarks Toolbar with a couple more keystrokes:

Ctrl+Shift+b => Shift+Tab => up (up again if needed) => Enter => Tab

Hi longtime_firebird_user, I'm just learning of this change from this thread, so I don't know if there is a way to undo it. In the meantime, you can access the Bookmarks Menu or Bookmarks Toolbar with a couple more keystrokes: Ctrl+Shift+b => Shift+Tab => up (up again if needed) => Enter => Tab
longtime_firebird_user 0 solutions 12 answers

Thanks, I was unaware of "shift+tab", that is indeed helpful for a temporary workaround. However, an option to fully revert back to the previous "auto-direct to bookmarks menu" setting would be greatly appreciated. Or at least a means of safely regressing to a previous FF release iteration.

AFAIK, the default bookmark save directory from "ctrl+d" is in fact the "bookmarks menu" folder and not unsorted, which makes this change truly baffling...

Thanks, I was unaware of "shift+tab", that is indeed helpful for a temporary workaround. However, an option to fully revert back to the previous "auto-direct to bookmarks menu" setting would be greatly appreciated. Or at least a means of safely regressing to a previous FF release iteration. AFAIK, the default bookmark save directory from "ctrl+d" is in fact the "bookmarks menu" folder and not unsorted, which makes this change truly baffling...
jscher2000
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Yes, if you use Ctrl+d, you'd never save bookmarks to Unsorted Bookmarks, but if you were to click the star icon on the toolbar (which was previously inside the address bar), that's the destination.

If you happen to use an extension to modify keyboard shortcuts or menu actions, this is the command needed to directly open the Library dialog to the Bookmarks Menu:

PlacesCommandHook.showPlacesOrganizer('BookmarksMenu');

I haven't tried it any of the extensions out there.

Yes, if you use Ctrl+d, you'd never save bookmarks to Unsorted Bookmarks, but if you were to click the star icon on the toolbar (which was previously inside the address bar), that's the destination. If you happen to use an extension to modify keyboard shortcuts or menu actions, this is the command needed to directly open the Library dialog to the Bookmarks Menu: PlacesCommandHook.showPlacesOrganizer('BookmarksMenu'); I haven't tried it any of the extensions out there.
longtime_firebird_user 0 solutions 12 answers

Interesting, I've never used that button, so I was unaware of that discrepancy, which is curious in itself. I also have never used any extensions to modify keyboard command behavior, until this point the FF presets have been completely satisfactory.

Interesting, I've never used that button, so I was unaware of that discrepancy, which is curious in itself. I also have never used any extensions to modify keyboard command behavior, until this point the FF presets have been completely satisfactory.
ideato 893 solutions 6250 answers

butterflying_low said

The Unsorted Bookmarks tab sounds like the last place a window should open to.

Correct

jscher2000 said

..... so I don't know if there is a way to undo it.....

Bug report maybe ?

thanks

''butterflying_low [[#question-1120161|said]]'' <blockquote> The Unsorted Bookmarks tab sounds like the last place a window should open to. </blockquote> Correct ''jscher2000 [[#answer-871173|said]]'' <blockquote> ..... so I don't know if there is a way to undo it..... </blockquote> Bug report maybe ? thanks
longtime_firebird_user 0 solutions 12 answers

There is actually a root problem here that has emerged from this thread: why should there exist a discrepancy with respect to the bookmark save directory contingent upon the means by which a bookmark was saved? That is, why should bookmarking via "ctrl+d" auto-save to the "bookmarks menu" directory while using the star button on the upper-right corner of the FF taskbar auto-saves to "unsorted"?

What possible advantage is there in rendering the default bookmark save directory as "unsorted"? If anything, the star button should have its behavior modified to auto-save to "bookmarks menu", and then "ctrl+shift+b" can have its original status configuration restored safely without causing any confusion or contradiction.

There is actually a root problem here that has emerged from this thread: why should there exist a discrepancy with respect to the bookmark save directory contingent upon the means by which a bookmark was saved? That is, why should bookmarking via "ctrl+d" auto-save to the "bookmarks menu" directory while using the star button on the upper-right corner of the FF taskbar auto-saves to "unsorted"? What possible advantage is there in rendering the default bookmark save directory as "unsorted"? If anything, the star button should have its behavior modified to auto-save to "bookmarks menu", and then "ctrl+shift+b" can have its original status configuration restored safely without causing any confusion or contradiction.
the-edmeister
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longtime_firebird_user said

What possible advantage is there in rendering the default bookmark save directory as "unsorted"? If anything, the star button should have its behavior modified to auto-save to "bookmarks menu", and then "ctrl+shift+b" can have its original status configuration restored safely without causing any confusion or contradiction.

It has been like that since Places was put in Firefox 3.0, back on June 17, 2008. I believe the concept of "Unsorted Bookmarks" was created to allow the use to "quick save" bookmarks and then go back to organize them. Or to save a bookmark temporarily and have it in a "temp" folder for deletion when they're done reading the bookmarked page.

I rarely use that Unsorted Bookmarks folder - for laugh check out one of the two bookmarks that I did save to that Unsorted Bookmarks folder. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1075058 A very similar discussion to what is in this thread.


https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1098468#c10

Unfortunately "All Bookmarks" will still have the wrong meaning since this view has no toolbar/menu... but let's see how it feels. In the end we are not requiring more clicks than before to reach those other roots and that's positive.

"but let's see how it feels."

It "feels" unnatural, IMO.

BTW, I used Firebird, too, back in the day. (April 2003 in to Feb 2004.) But I started with Phoenix 0.3 in Aug 2002.

''longtime_firebird_user [[#answer-871826|said]]'' <blockquote> What possible advantage is there in rendering the default bookmark save directory as "unsorted"? If anything, the star button should have its behavior modified to auto-save to "bookmarks menu", and then "ctrl+shift+b" can have its original status configuration restored safely without causing any confusion or contradiction. </blockquote> It has been like that since Places was put in Firefox 3.0, back on June 17, 2008. I believe the concept of "Unsorted Bookmarks" was created to allow the use to "quick save" bookmarks and then go back to organize them. Or to save a bookmark temporarily and have it in a "temp" folder for deletion when they're done reading the bookmarked page. I rarely use that Unsorted Bookmarks folder - for laugh check out one of the two bookmarks that I did save to that Unsorted Bookmarks folder. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1075058 ''A very similar discussion to what is in this thread.'' ---------------- https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1098468#c10 <blockquote>Unfortunately "All Bookmarks" will still have the wrong meaning since this view has no toolbar/menu... but let's see how it feels. In the end we are not requiring more clicks than before to reach those other roots and that's positive. </blockquote> '''''"but let's see how it feels."''''' It "feels" unnatural, IMO. ''BTW, I used Firebird, too, back in the day. (April 2003 in to Feb 2004.) But I started with Phoenix 0.3 in Aug 2002.''
longtime_firebird_user 0 solutions 12 answers

the-edmeister said

longtime_firebird_user said
What possible advantage is there in rendering the default bookmark save directory as "unsorted"? If anything, the star button should have its behavior modified to auto-save to "bookmarks menu", and then "ctrl+shift+b" can have its original status configuration restored safely without causing any confusion or contradiction.

It has been like that since Places was put in Firefox 3.0, back on June 17, 2008. I believe the concept of "Unsorted Bookmarks" was created to allow the use to "quick save" bookmarks and then go back to organize them. Or to save a bookmark temporarily and have it in a "temp" folder for deletion when they're done reading the bookmarked page.

I rarely use that Unsorted Bookmarks folder - for laugh check out one of the two bookmarks that I did save to that Unsorted Bookmarks folder. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1075058 A very similar discussion to what is in this thread.


https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1098468#c10

Unfortunately "All Bookmarks" will still have the wrong meaning since this view has no toolbar/menu... but let's see how it feels. In the end we are not requiring more clicks than before to reach those other roots and that's positive.

"but let's see how it feels."

It "feels" unnatural, IMO.

BTW, I used Firebird, too, back in the day. (April 2003 in to Feb 2004.) But I started with Phoenix 0.3 in Aug 2002.

Personally I don't use or particularly see a need for organizing bookmarks across multiple subdirectories, my only real requirement is a master index record of all saved pages that can be populated and accessed as efficiently as possible. When saving a bookmark, I don't even want to think about where its being saved, only that it is being saved to a general all-purpose directory (bookmarks menu) and can be easily recovered upon command. When accessing bookmarks, I'm either using the "recently bookmarked" tab or using targeted search queries - either in the FF address bar or within the bookmarks toolbar. For example, if I wanted to summon all my saved bookmarks relating to "mozilla.org", I would simply search for it, no extra labor on my part required.

You've got me beat on Phoenix, I did use Netscape back in the day though, and have been using Mozilla-based browsers virtually exclusively ever since. :)

''the-edmeister [[#answer-871870|said]]'' <blockquote> ''longtime_firebird_user [[#answer-871826|said]]'' <blockquote> What possible advantage is there in rendering the default bookmark save directory as "unsorted"? If anything, the star button should have its behavior modified to auto-save to "bookmarks menu", and then "ctrl+shift+b" can have its original status configuration restored safely without causing any confusion or contradiction. </blockquote> It has been like that since Places was put in Firefox 3.0, back on June 17, 2008. I believe the concept of "Unsorted Bookmarks" was created to allow the use to "quick save" bookmarks and then go back to organize them. Or to save a bookmark temporarily and have it in a "temp" folder for deletion when they're done reading the bookmarked page. I rarely use that Unsorted Bookmarks folder - for laugh check out one of the two bookmarks that I did save to that Unsorted Bookmarks folder. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1075058 ''A very similar discussion to what is in this thread.'' ---------------- https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1098468#c10 <blockquote>Unfortunately "All Bookmarks" will still have the wrong meaning since this view has no toolbar/menu... but let's see how it feels. In the end we are not requiring more clicks than before to reach those other roots and that's positive. </blockquote> '''''"but let's see how it feels."''''' It "feels" unnatural, IMO. ''BTW, I used Firebird, too, back in the day. (April 2003 in to Feb 2004.) But I started with Phoenix 0.3 in Aug 2002.'' </blockquote> Personally I don't use or particularly see a need for organizing bookmarks across multiple subdirectories, my only real requirement is a master index record of all saved pages that can be populated and accessed as efficiently as possible. When saving a bookmark, I don't even want to think about where its being saved, only that it ''is '' being saved to a general all-purpose directory (bookmarks menu) and can be easily recovered upon command. When accessing bookmarks, I'm either using the "recently bookmarked" tab or using targeted search queries - either in the FF address bar or within the bookmarks toolbar. For example, if I wanted to summon all my saved bookmarks relating to "mozilla.org", I would simply search for it, no extra labor on my part required. You've got me beat on Phoenix, I did use Netscape back in the day though, and have been using Mozilla-based browsers virtually exclusively ever since. :)