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[Fx35-36] Review for localization (was: [Fx34] Search Bar changes coming)

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  1. AliceWyman 4949 posts
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    Screenshots in the related bug:

    • Bug 1088660 - Improve the search bar UI to support one-off searches

    One big change I noticed in Firefox 34 Beta 11 is that you can't tell what default search engine you are using unless you hover over or start typing in the search bar (Bug 110292 - Difficulty in noticing what the default search engine is) . That bug and others are mentioned in the bug's "depends on" list and in comment 68. Hopefully many of these bugs will be fixed before Firefox 34 is released.

    Related discussion:

    Screenshots in the related bug: *[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1088660 Bug 1088660] - Improve the search bar UI to support one-off searches One big change I noticed in Firefox 34 Beta 11 is that you can't tell what default search engine you are using unless you hover over or start typing in the search bar ([https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1102922 Bug 110292] - Difficulty in noticing what the default search engine is) . That bug and others are mentioned in the bug's "depends on" list and in [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1088660#c68 comment 68]. Hopefully many of these bugs will be fixed before Firefox 34 is released. Related discussion: * http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=2890823 ''34.0b11 - new Search Bar scheme'' *[/forums/contributors/710886] ''Firefox (in US) will be using Yahoo as default Search engine starting in December.''
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  2. AliceWyman 4949 posts
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    I see that Joni just made a new revision to update this article for Fx 34, including screenshots and a new changesearchsettings template, /kb/templatechangesearchsettings

    I see that Joni just made a [/kb/search-bar-add-change-manage-search-engines-firefox/revision/83051 new revision] to update this article for Fx 34, including screenshots and a new changesearchsettings template, [/kb/templatechangesearchsettings]
  3. AliceWyman 4949 posts
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    There's also a new Search panel in the Firefox 34 Options window, which is shown in the screenshots that Joni added to the article. I was wondering about the Help link in the new Search panel, if it will go to a new SuMo KB article? Never mind. See Joni's comments in bug 1102398 (the Help link will eventually go to this article). Related discussion:

    There's also a new Search panel in the Firefox 34 Options window, which is shown in the screenshots that Joni added to the article. I was wondering about the Help link in the new Search panel, <s>if it will go to a new SuMo KB article?</s> Never mind. See Joni's comments in [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1102398 bug 1102398] (the Help link will eventually go to this article). Related discussion: *[/forums/knowledge-base-articles/710900] New Search panel in Firefox 34 Options - Help link goes to 404
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  4. Tonnes 63 posts
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    Would it be possible to inform localizers about this late and obvious en-US only change for now? Better yet, it would be nice to see this info included in the article itself by a comment and maybe even adapt/prepare the article for non-en-US locales as well to prevent localizers from finding out about it themselves and working around it (or not?!), saving them some valuable time and keeping the article up-to-date for localized versions.

    This includes the changesettings template, Forum response and any other affected articles, of course.

    Would it be possible to inform localizers about this late and obvious en-US only change for now? Better yet, it would be nice to see this info included in the article itself by a comment and maybe even adapt/prepare the article for non-en-US locales as well to prevent localizers from finding out about it themselves and working around it (or not?!), saving them some valuable time and keeping the article up-to-date for localized versions. This includes the [https://support.mozilla.org/kb/templatechangesearchsettings changesettings template], [[Forum Response - Changing the default search engine|Forum response]] and any other affected articles, of course.
  5. AliceWyman 4949 posts
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    Tonnes said

    Would it be possible to inform localizers about this late and obvious en-US only change for now? Better yet, it would be nice to see this info included in the article itself by a comment and maybe even adapt/prepare the article for non-en-US locales as well to prevent localizers from finding out about it themselves and working around it (or not?!), saving them some valuable time and keeping the article up-to-date for localized versions. This includes the changesettings template, Forum response and any other affected articles, of course.

    I just updated Forum Response - Changing the default search engine yesterday for Firefox 34. I didn't realize that the new search UI to change the default search engine didn't apply to other locales.

    P.S. I made a new revision to Forum Response - Changing the default search engine to add this note under the "Starting in Firefox 34" section: Note: The following may not apply to localized versions of Firefox.

    I also added that note to the pending Forum Response - New Search change that Rachel drafted, which hasn't been approved yet.

    I copied the above to this thread in the SuMo Community discussion forum, where admin involved in localization are more likely to see it:

    ''Tonnes [[#post-10546|said]]'' <blockquote> Would it be possible to inform localizers about this late and obvious en-US only change for now? Better yet, it would be nice to see this info included in the article itself by a comment and maybe even adapt/prepare the article for non-en-US locales as well to prevent localizers from finding out about it themselves and working around it (or not?!), saving them some valuable time and keeping the article up-to-date for localized versions. This includes the [https://support.mozilla.org/kb/templatechangesearchsettings changesettings template], [[Forum Response - Changing the default search engine|Forum response]] and any other affected articles, of course. </blockquote> I just updated [[Forum Response - Changing the default search engine]] yesterday for Firefox 34. I didn't realize that the new search UI to change the default search engine didn't apply to other locales. P.S. I made a new revision to [[Forum Response - Changing the default search engine]] to add this note under the "Starting in Firefox 34" section: ''Note: The following may not apply to localized versions of Firefox.'' I also added that note to the pending [[Forum Response - New Search change]] that Rachel drafted, which hasn't been approved yet. I copied the above to this thread in the SuMo Community discussion forum, where admin involved in localization are more likely to see it: *[/forums/contributors/710886] ''Firefox (in US) will be using Yahoo as default Search engine starting in December.''
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  6. Tonnes 63 posts
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    Thanks. Would you think it’s wise to add that or some other note to this Search article as well? Assuming other locales will follow in Fx 36 based on bug 1103190 and the Change Search Settings string just landing on Aurora l10n, I’d think of a note suggesting to change some {for} markup accordingly for other than en-US locales.

    Thanks. Would you think it’s wise to add that or some other note to this Search article as well? Assuming other locales will follow in Fx 36 based on [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1103190#c10 bug 1103190] and the Change Search Settings string just landing on Aurora l10n, I’d think of a note suggesting to change some {for} markup accordingly for other than en-US locales.
  7. AliceWyman 4949 posts
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    Tonnes said

    Thanks. Would you think it’s wise to add that or some other note to this Search article as well? Assuming other locales will follow in Fx 36 based on bug 1103190 and the Change Search Settings string just landing on Aurora l10n, I’d think of a note suggesting to change some {for} markup accordingly for other than en-US locales.

    You're welcome, and thanks for finding the related bug:

    • Bug 1103190 - land Flare strings in Firefox 36 and enable it for all locales

    Since Firefox 34 isn't scheduled for release until Tuesday, December 2 we should wait to see what Joni thinks since she updated this article for Firefox 34 and it's not marked ready for localization.

    ''Tonnes [[#post-10550|said]]'' <blockquote> Thanks. Would you think it’s wise to add that or some other note to this Search article as well? Assuming other locales will follow in Fx 36 based on [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1103190#c10 bug 1103190] and the Change Search Settings string just landing on Aurora l10n, I’d think of a note suggesting to change some {for} markup accordingly for other than en-US locales. </blockquote> You're welcome, and thanks for finding the related bug: *[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1103190 Bug 1103190] - land Flare strings in Firefox 36 and enable it for all locales Since Firefox 34 isn't scheduled for release until Tuesday, December 2 we should wait to see what Joni thinks since she updated this article for Firefox 34 and it's not marked ready for localization.
  8. AliceWyman 4949 posts
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    Tonnes said

    Would you think it’s wise to add that or some other note to this Search article as well?

    I added this article to the /contributors/need-changes list with the comment,

    add note for localizers for Fx34 changes when this is RFL - see post by Tonnes in discussion, https://support.mozilla.org/kb/search-bar-add-change-manage-search-engines-firefox/discuss/5673#post-10550
    
    ''Tonnes [[#post-10550|said]]'' <blockquote>Would you think it’s wise to add that or some other note to this Search article as well? </blockquote> I added this article to the [/contributors/need-changes] list with the comment, add note for localizers for Fx34 changes when this is RFL - see post by Tonnes in discussion, https://support.mozilla.org/kb/search-bar-add-change-manage-search-engines-firefox/discuss/5673#post-10550
  9. Joni 323 posts
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    I've added a note for L10N in the article: L10N, the fx34 changes apply to en-us only. Please adjust these < fx34 instructions to apply to your locales.

    Are there any changes to fx34 for other locales? Should I even mark the article "RFL?"

    I've added a note for L10N in the article: ''L10N, the fx34 changes apply to en-us only. Please adjust these < fx34 instructions to apply to your locales.'' Are there any changes to fx34 for other locales? Should I even mark the article "RFL?"
  10. Tonnes 63 posts
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    Not entirely sure, but as far as I know, the Search engine change was included for a few other locales in 34 as mentioned in Jonathan's email on dec 03.

    The alternative Search engines and separate Search panel in options/preferences will be included for non-en-US in 35 (not 36), but only for locales not using Pootle (see the mozilla.dev.l10n group), others follow in 36. I hope localizers involved know about this.

    Not entirely sure, but as far as I know, the Search engine change was included for a few other locales in 34 as mentioned in Jonathan's email on dec 03. The alternative Search engines and separate Search panel in options/preferences will be included for non-en-US in 35 (not 36), but only for locales not using Pootle (see the mozilla.dev.l10n group), others follow in 36. I hope localizers involved know about this.
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  11. AliceWyman 4949 posts
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    Tonnes said

    The alternative Search engines and separate Search panel in options/preferences will be included for non-en-US in 35 (not 36), but only for locales not using Pootle (see the mozilla.dev.l10n group), others follow in 36. I hope localizers involved know about this.

    I added this to the Need Changes list: [Fx35] Review for localization - see post by Tonnes in https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/search-bar-add-change-manage-search-engines-firefox/discuss/5673#post-10808 [Fx 35/36] Review changes in bug 1106559 - Improve the search preference UI (removal of search engines).

    ''Tonnes [[#post-10808|said]]'' <blockquote> The alternative Search engines and separate Search panel in options/preferences will be included for non-en-US in 35 (not 36), but only for locales not using Pootle (see the mozilla.dev.l10n group), others follow in 36. I hope localizers involved know about this. </blockquote> I added this to the [/contributors/need-changes Need Changes] list: [Fx35] Review for localization - see post by Tonnes in https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/search-bar-add-change-manage-search-engines-firefox/discuss/5673#post-10808 [Fx 35/36] Review changes in bug 1106559 - Improve the search preference UI (removal of search engines).
  12. AliceWyman 4949 posts
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    Copied from Bug 1119250 - Remove the old searchbar UI


    Description Florian Quèze [:florian] [:flo] 2015-01-08 07:06:33 PST
    
    Bug 1088660 introduced a new searchbar UI behind a preference because it was only shipped to en-US for Firefox 34.
    
    In Firefox 35, we shipped the new UI localized into several locales (bug 1107278) and it's enabled and localized for everybody starting in Firefox 36 (bug 1103190).
    
    We can now remove the old UI and the browser.search.showOneOffButtons preference.
    
    Realistically it's probably too late already to do this for 37, so targetting 38 here.
    

    Copied from ''[https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1119250 Bug 1119250] - Remove the old searchbar UI'' ----- Description Florian Quèze [:florian] [:flo] 2015-01-08 07:06:33 PST [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1088660 Bug 1088660] introduced a new searchbar UI behind a preference because it was only shipped to en-US for Firefox 34. In Firefox 35, we shipped the new UI localized into several locales ([https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1107278 bug 1107278]) and it's enabled and localized for everybody starting in Firefox 36 ([https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1103190 bug 1103190]). We can now remove the old UI and the browser.search.showOneOffButtons preference. Realistically it's probably too late already to do this for 37, so targetting 38 here. -----
  13. Tonnes 63 posts
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    I guess it's time to review and set some recent revision as RFL as 35 is out now, but the last RFL version still aims at 34 or lower for non en-US locales. Locales that go along with the new Search feature in 35 should likely use fx35 tags instead of 34, and probably include some =fx34's where en-US stops at 33. Not entirely sure, but it looks like the last image in line 28 does not apply to localized versions.

    I also made a new revision that includes 2 rewordings, as they aren't entirely right for 35. For the best, one of these strings also needs an ellipsis (Add more search engines…) that I forgot to add.

    I guess it's time to review and set some recent revision as RFL as 35 is out now, but the last RFL version still aims at 34 or lower for non en-US locales. Locales that go along with the new Search feature in 35 should likely use fx35 tags instead of 34, and probably include some =fx34's where en-US stops at 33. Not entirely sure, but it looks like the last image in line 28 does not apply to localized versions. I also made a new revision that includes 2 rewordings, as they aren't entirely right for 35. For the best, one of these strings also needs an ellipsis (Add more search engines…) that I forgot to add.
  14. AliceWyman 4949 posts
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    Tonnes said

    I guess it's time to review and set some recent revision as RFL as 35 is out now <snip> I also made a new revision <Snip>

    I approved your new revision, which included the small note I added for =fx34,=fx35 for users of localized versions, and marked it ready for localization.

    P.S. The 2015-01-12 meeting notes show, under "Admin availability this week", Joni offline January 9-16. Joni can review this when she gets back (I left "[Fx35-36] Review for localization" in the Need changes list, with a link back to this thread).

    ''Tonnes [[#post-11086|said]]'' <blockquote> I guess it's time to review and set some recent revision as RFL as 35 is out now <snip> I also made a new revision <Snip> </blockquote> I approved your new revision, which included the small note I added for =fx34,=fx35 for users of localized versions, and marked it ready for localization. P.S. The [https://etherpad.mozilla.org/sumo-2015-01-12 2015-01-12 meeting notes] show, under "Admin availability this week", ''Joni offline January 9-16''. Joni can review this when she gets back (I left "[Fx35-36] Review for localization" in the [https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/contributors/need-changes Need changes list], with a link back to this thread).
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