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Mac update advice e.g. Malwarebytes & ? Clam

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  1. John99 3665 posts
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    I am not Mac user, so advice from others is needed please.

    It seems there is a Malwarbytes product available since July 2015 for Mac s. Malwarebytes is reputable and we already include mention of their anti malware product for Windows. So it seems sensible to include

    We link to this Article, which was apparently last updated in 2013

    Is there anything more up to date ?

    I note the article mentions Clam repeatedly. Apparently ClamXav is included in Mac OS X server from version 10.4. and that would have been freeware, but is now commercial. There will still be the command line version of Clam available. See for instance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clam_AntiVirus

    I am not Mac user, so advice from others is needed please. It seems there is a Malwarbytes product available since July 2015 for Mac s. Malwarebytes is reputable and we already include mention of their anti malware product for Windows. So it seems sensible to include * Malwarebytes Anti-Malware for Mac https://www.malwarebytes.org/antimalware/mac/ We link to this Article, which was apparently last updated in 2013 * Harden your Mac against malware attacks https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-3291 Is there anything more up to date ? I note the article mentions Clam repeatedly. Apparently ClamXav is included in Mac OS X '''server''' from version 10.4. and that would have been freeware, but is now commercial. There will still be the command line version of Clam available. See for instance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clam_AntiVirus
  2. AliceWyman 5146 posts
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    Hi, John.

    I agree we should replace the link to the outdated "Harden your Mac against malware attacks" article with something more current ... maybe one or both of these articles?

    https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201940 About the "Are you sure you want to open it?" alert (File Quarantine / Known Malware Detection) in OS X

    https://support.apple.com/kb/PH21768 OS X El Capitan: Protect your Mac from malware


    I see you posted a question about the Harden your Mac against malware attacks article to the apple discussion forums:

    https://discussions.apple.com/message/29938056#29938056 Update to Article: Harden your Mac against malware attacks

    You've gotten a number of answers to your post, including a lengthy reply, https://discussions.apple.com/message/29938930#29938930 ... which says, in part:

    Starting with OS X 10.8.3, a third layer of protection has been added: a "Malware Removal Tool" (MRT). MRT runs automatically in the background. It checks for, and removes, malware that matches a recognition database maintained by Apple.

    I would not link to Malwarebytes Anti-Malware for Mac since it may encourage Mac users to install unneeded software. From what I've gathered, current OS X versions already include built-on malware protection, including a removal tool since OS X 10.8.3 according to the forum reply I referenced above.

    For the record, my iMac is running an older version of OS X (10.6.8) so I'm not the best person to update this article. I'll set up a "Needs change" entry.

    Hi, John. I agree we should replace the link to the outdated "[https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-3291 Harden your Mac against malware attacks]" article with something more current ... maybe one or both of these articles? https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201940 ''About the "Are you sure you want to open it?" alert (File Quarantine / Known Malware Detection) in OS X'' https://support.apple.com/kb/PH21768 ''OS X El Capitan: Protect your Mac from malware'' ----- I see you posted a question about the [https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-3291 Harden your Mac against malware attacks] article to the apple discussion forums: https://discussions.apple.com/message/29938056#29938056 ''Update to Article: Harden your Mac against malware attacks '' You've gotten a number of answers to your post, including a lengthy reply, https://discussions.apple.com/message/29938930#29938930 ... which says, in part: <blockquote> Starting with OS X 10.8.3, a third layer of protection has been added: a "Malware Removal Tool" (MRT). MRT runs automatically in the background. It checks for, and removes, malware that matches a recognition database maintained by Apple.</blockquote> I would not link to [https://www.malwarebytes.org/antimalware/mac/ Malwarebytes Anti-Malware for Mac] since it may encourage Mac users to install unneeded software. From what I've gathered, current OS X versions already include built-on malware protection, including a removal tool since OS X 10.8.3 according to the forum reply I referenced above. For the record, my iMac is running an older version of OS X (10.6.8) so I'm not the best person to update this article. I'll set up a "Needs change" entry.
  3. John99 3665 posts
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    Thanks Alice, I knew you use a Mac & hoped you would help.

    My thoughts about the antimalware tool were more as a method of removal of adware as we do in Windows.

    As it stands the only advice Mac users see on getting rid of malware is the Hardening Macs link. That Apple article besides being out of date also did not really offer advice on getting rid of malware. (The update discussion does mention removal tools).

    Macs are obviously not always immune to adware issues & browser hijacks despite the built in protection.

    Possibly MRT was not actually turned on in some cases. The full comment was

    4. Starting with OS X 10.8.3, a third layer of protection has been added: a "Malware Removal Tool" (MRT). MRT runs automatically in the background. It checks for, and removes, malware that matches a recognition database maintained by Apple. To ensure that MRT will run when that database is updated, open the App Store pane in System Preferences and check the box marked Install system data files and security updates if it's not already checked. Like XProtect, MRT is effective against known threats, but not against unknown ones. It notifies you if it finds malware, but otherwise it has no user interface.

    OR maybe it is just a case of lots of what to us are browser hijacks or Adware are potentially something some users consider legitimate. Thats why Windows users in addition to using AV may need to use adware removal tools.

    It seems likely Clam is redundant, being most likely to be of use in protecting others from MS malware than being of help to the ordinary Mac User

    I like both the articles 1, 2 you found. Short & simple user facing type documents. I also like very much the reply that I received3 that you mentioned.

    I now have a pending edit. I've added all three links. l also added a note about Windows MS. I make no mention of clam, or malwarebytes in relation to Macs. I added an extra section as we are not realy adding information about removing malware.

    The MS note was because we get endless issues on the forum with problems from security related software, mainly the bundled software, and so I think we should use all opportunities possible that help users understand that a lot of the problem software is not actually essential.

    At least with such a revision we have more comprehensive and up to date information made available. Possibly we could add user friendly tips or information on Macs settings or expand malware removal advice on Macs but I need to rely on a Mac user to sort that out properly

    Thanks Alice, I knew you use a Mac & hoped you would help. My thoughts about the antimalware tool were more as a method of removal of adware as we do in Windows. As it stands the only advice Mac users see on getting rid of malware is the Hardening Macs link. That Apple article besides being out of date also did not really offer advice on getting rid of malware. (The update discussion does mention removal tools). Macs are obviously not always immune to adware issues & browser hijacks despite the built in protection. Possibly MRT was not actually turned on in some cases. The full comment was <blockquote>4.<sup> Starting with OS X 10.8.3, a third layer of protection has been added: a "Malware Removal Tool" (MRT). MRT runs automatically in the background. It checks for, and removes, malware that matches a recognition database maintained by Apple. </sup>To ensure that MRT will run when that database is updated, open the App Store pane in System Preferences and check the box marked Install system data files and security updates if it's not already checked. Like XProtect, MRT is effective against known threats, but not against unknown ones. It notifies you if it finds malware, but otherwise it has no user interface.</blockquote> OR maybe it is just a case of lots of what to us are browser hijacks or Adware are potentially something some users consider legitimate. Thats why Windows users in addition to using AV may need to use adware removal tools. It seems likely Clam is redundant, being most likely to be of use in protecting others from MS malware than being of help to the ordinary Mac User I like both the articles <sup>[https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201940 1], [https://support.apple.com/kb/PH21768 2]</sup> you found. Short & simple user facing type documents. I also like very much the reply that I received<sup>[https://discussions.apple.com/message/29938930#29938930 3]</sup> that you mentioned. I now have a pending edit. I've added all three links. l also added a note about Windows MS. I make no mention of clam, or malwarebytes in relation to Macs. I added an extra section as we are not realy adding information about removing malware. The MS note was because we get endless issues on the forum with problems from security related software, mainly the bundled software, and so I think we should use all opportunities possible that help users understand that a lot of the problem software is not actually essential. At least with such a revision we have more comprehensive and up to date information made available. Possibly we could add user friendly tips or information on Macs settings or expand malware removal advice on Macs but I need to rely on a Mac user to sort that out properly
  4. AliceWyman 5146 posts
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    John, Nice revision!

    I made a few edits to your revision since I wasn't sure if you meant to show the "How do I get rid of Malware?" section for Mac. Can you review?

    John, Nice revision! I made a few edits to your revision since I wasn't sure if you meant to show the "How do I get rid of Malware?" section for Mac. Can you review?
  5. AliceWyman 5146 posts
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    John, thanks for approving my revision. I marked it ready to localize and I removed the "Needs change" entry.

    John, thanks for approving my revision. I marked it ready to localize and I removed the "Needs change" entry.