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[Approved] added "caution" note for Windows about bundled software (was: Remove links to Adobe's download page)

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  1. scoobidiver 1275 posts
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    See [/forums/contributors/707675 this thread].
  2. AliceWyman 5156 posts
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    I copied the following from the Adobe flash player update installs google chrome thread linked above.

    andresw65 said

    Adobe flash player update 10.3.183.10 for firefox installs google chrome in my system (windows xp SP3) and set it as default browser without any previous warning, request, permission or checkbox selection.

    That thread also includes a link (thanks scoobidiver) to Bug 684008 - Mozilla points users to Flash update that may install either McAfee Security Scan or Google Chrome by default (random selection).

    On the pending revision to this template

    Is Google Chrome or other "optional" software from Adobe's download page also bundled with Mac or Linux? I went to http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ in Firefox on Mac OS 10.6 just now and no optional software was bundled. If it's only a Windows issue then the download instructions should not be changed for Linux or Mac. The problem isn't limited to Flash, by the way - see http://get.adobe.com/reader/ which also bundles optional software with the Adobe Reader download and Use Adobe Reader to view PDF files in Firefox links there.

    In any case, I don't know if we should be changing any download links in this template, expecially since our plugin articles link to the Mozilla PluginCheck page and the update link for Adobe Flash takes you to Adobe's download page. Maybe all we should do is explain that the Adobe's download page may include optional software that will be included with the download unless you un-check the option (on Windows just now, http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ bundles "McAfee Security Scan Plus").

    I copied the following from the [/en-US/forums/contributors/707675 Adobe flash player update installs google chrome] thread linked above. ''andresw65 [/en-US/forums/contributors/707675#post-42784 said]'' <blockquote> Adobe flash player update 10.3.183.10 for firefox installs google chrome in my system (windows xp SP3) and set it as default browser without any previous warning, request, permission or checkbox selection. </blockquote> That thread also includes a link (thanks scoobidiver) to [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=684008 Bug 684008 - Mozilla points users to Flash update that may install either McAfee Security Scan or Google Chrome by default (random selection)]. '''On the pending revision to this template''' Is Google Chrome or other "optional" software from Adobe's download page also bundled with Mac or Linux? I went to http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ in Firefox on Mac OS 10.6 just now and no optional software was bundled. If it's only a Windows issue then the download instructions should not be changed for Linux or Mac. The problem isn't limited to Flash, by the way - see http://get.adobe.com/reader/ which also bundles optional software with the Adobe Reader download and [[Using the Adobe Reader plugin with Firefox]] links there. In any case, I don't know if we should be changing any download links in this template, expecially since our plugin articles link to the [http://www.mozilla.com/plugincheck/ Mozilla PluginCheck page] and the update link for Adobe Flash takes you to Adobe's download page. Maybe all we should do is explain that the Adobe's download page may include optional software that will be included with the download unless you un-check the option (on Windows just now, http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ bundles "McAfee Security Scan Plus").
  3. AliceWyman 5156 posts
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    P.S. Back when we were discussing how to avoid the "Adobe DLM" installation that was causing problems when you used the download link from http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ in Firefox, I wrote this on December 7, 2009 in /forums/contributors/518327, about linking directly to Adobe's installer and bypassing Adobe's website:

    I don't think we should ever include a direct link to an executable file on another software manufacturer's site. You wouldn't want Adobe or other sites to link directly to to a "Firefox Setup.exe" file from http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/latest/ ... would you? A direct link bypasses any instructions or help links that should be available to users from the software maker. If the instructions are wrong or if the install process causes problems, we should point that out to users AND to Adobe. I agree with cor-el's suggested instructions (uncheck the McAfee option, bypass the prompt to install the Adobe DLM extension, etc.) except that we should tell people to go to Adobe's "normal" download site when possible.<snip>

    I still feel the same way now.

    P.S. Back when we were discussing how to avoid the "Adobe DLM" installation that was causing problems when you used the download link from http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ in Firefox, I wrote this on December 7, 2009 in [/forums/contributors/518327], about linking directly to Adobe's installer and bypassing Adobe's website: <blockquote> I don't think we should ever include a direct link to an executable file on another software manufacturer's site. You wouldn't want Adobe or other sites to link directly to to a "Firefox Setup.exe" file from http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/latest/ ... would you? A direct link bypasses any instructions or help links that should be available to users from the software maker. If the instructions are wrong or if the install process causes problems, we should point that out to users AND to Adobe. I agree with cor-el's suggested instructions (uncheck the McAfee option, bypass the prompt to install the Adobe DLM extension, etc.) except that we should tell people to go to Adobe's "normal" download site when possible.<snip></blockquote> I still feel the same way now.
  4. scoobidiver 1275 posts
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    How many users install Flash from this article? 0.01%? From plugincheck or PFS? 90%? By themselves? 10%?

    So whatever the retained solution (direct ftp link or warning), it will have no impact.

    I let you write a revision with warnings based on the approved revision.

    How many users install Flash from this article? 0.01%? From plugincheck or PFS? 90%? By themselves? 10%? So whatever the retained solution (direct ftp link or warning), it will have no impact. I let you write a revision with warnings based on the approved revision.
  5. AliceWyman 5156 posts
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    I made a new revision to add a "caution" note for Windows about bundled software.

    I made a new revision to add a "caution" note for Windows about bundled software.