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Bug 1313602 Full review needed (was: Small change to the title: website -> websites)

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  1. AliceWyman 5156 posts
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    The article title , Storage API - some website want to add files to my computer is grammatically incorrect. I made a small edit to change "website" to "websites". I left the "permission-store-data" slug the same.

    The article title , ''Storage API - some website want to add files to my computer'' is grammatically incorrect. I made a small edit to change "website" to "websites". I left the "permission-store-data" slug the same.
  2. Underpass 730 posts
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    Just a few things:

    • On Fx57 there is no means to enable/disable this feature: you have only the means to delete single website or all website content.
    • Removing all content also remove cookies. This can be a real problem, don't know if it is a bug or a feature.
    • I've never had a warning message on any website, you can check it by yourself using www.youtube.com
    • If you explicitly deny the local data storage using the Page Info Window, the setting has simply no effect.
    Just a few things: * On Fx57 there is no means to enable/disable this feature: you have only the means to delete single website or all website content. * Removing all content also remove cookies. This can be a real problem, don't know if it is a bug or a feature. * I've never had a warning message on '''any''' website, you can check it by yourself using www.youtube.com *If you explicitly deny the local data storage using the Page Info Window, the setting has simply no effect.
  3. AliceWyman 5156 posts
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    Underpass said

    • On Fx57 there is no means to enable/disable this feature <snip>

    I was also wondering about that. The "Clear all data" button removing all cookies is a bigger problem. You're right, it removes all cookies in Firefox 57 (screenshot).

    The only site I ever remember asking me to store offline content was (I think) https://read.amazon.com the Kindle Cloud Reader. I tried it in Beta, Firefox 56 and Firefox 55 and I don't get asked, but the offline content is downloaded after I start reading one of the books . The Firefox 55 and 56 setting, Tell you when a website asks to store data for offline use doesn't seem to do anything. When I remove https://read.amazon.com from the allowed websites field, it just gets added back.

    I think we should remove the entire I want to modify or turn off this setting section for now, for all versions. I made a revision to do that. I'll also set up a [Fx 56-fx57] "Needs change" entry to review the entire article. Hopefully Joni will see it since she's been updating articles for fx57.

    ''Underpass [[#post-15615|said]]'' <blockquote> * On Fx57 there is no means to enable/disable this feature <snip> </blockquote> I was also wondering about that. The "Clear all data" button removing all cookies is a bigger problem. You're right, it removes all cookies in Firefox 57 ([https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/gallery/image/28926 screenshot]). The only site I ever remember asking me to store offline content was (I think) https://read.amazon.com the Kindle Cloud Reader. I tried it in Beta, Firefox 56 and Firefox 55 and I don't get asked, but the offline content is downloaded after I start reading one of the books . The Firefox 55 and 56 setting, '''Tell you when a website asks to store data for offline use''' doesn't seem to do anything. When I remove https://read.amazon.com from the allowed websites field, it just gets added back. I think we should remove the entire '''I want to modify or turn off this setting''' section for now, for all versions. I made a revision to do that. I'll also set up a [Fx 56-fx57] "Needs change" entry to review the entire article. Hopefully Joni will see it since she's been updating articles for fx57.
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  4. AliceWyman 5156 posts
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    I found the following:

    https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1014708 Firefox not honoring "Offline Web Content And User Data" settings

    https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1152964 Why does Firefox IGNORE my "Offline web content and user data" settings?

    posted by cor-el January 5, 2017


    Firefox will store small amounts (less than 50 MB) of data in the offline (application) cache without asking for permission.

    • offline-apps.allow_by_default;true
    • offline-apps.quota.warn;51200

    You can toggle the offline-apps.allow_by_default pref to false to make Firefox ask for permission to store data in the application cache.

    You can open the about:config page via the location/address bar. You can accept the warning and click "I'll be careful" to continue.

    See also:


    This should be added to the article, if confirmed.

    I found the following: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1014708 Firefox not honoring "Offline Web Content And User Data" settings https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1152964 Why does Firefox IGNORE my "Offline web content and user data" settings? posted by cor-el January 5, 2017 ----- Firefox will store small amounts (less than 50 MB) of data in the offline (application) cache without asking for permission. * offline-apps.allow_by_default;true * offline-apps.quota.warn;51200 You can toggle the offline-apps.allow_by_default pref to false to make Firefox ask for permission to store data in the application cache. You can open the <b>about:config</b> page via the location/address bar. You can accept the warning and click "I'll be careful" to continue. *http://kb.mozillazine.org/about:config See also: *https://developer.mozilla.org/Tools/Storage_Inspector ----- This should be added to the article, if confirmed.
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  5. Underpass 730 posts
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    Hello Alice, even if I set that value to the preference, I don't manage to get any confirmation prompt.

    I think the overall behavior of the storage management is going to be reorganized, see for example:

    https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1334411

    Hello Alice, even if I set that value to the preference, I don't manage to get any confirmation prompt. I think the overall behavior of the storage management is going to be reorganized, see for example: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1334411
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  6. AliceWyman 5156 posts
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    Thanks for the bug report. I'm following it (When the bug is fixed, the Firefox Page Info window article will also need updating - I added a thread to that article's forum).

    Thanks for the bug report. I'm following it (When the bug is fixed, the [[Firefox Page Info window]] article will also need updating - I added a thread to that article's forum).
  7. AliceWyman 5156 posts
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    P.S. I'm able to get a prompt to allow offline storage in Firefox 56 when I set the preference offline-apps.allow_by_default to false in about:config Image:Fx56OfflineStoragePrompt

    Fx56OfflineStoragePrompt

    Do you want to test Firefox 57? If not I'll try later when I have more time.

    P.S. I'm able to get a prompt to allow offline storage in Firefox 56 when I set the preference '''offline-apps.allow_by_default''' to '''false''' in about:config Image:Fx56OfflineStoragePrompt ;[[Image:Fx56OfflineStoragePrompt]] Do you want to test Firefox 57? If not I'll try later when I have more time.
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  8. Underpass 730 posts
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    Hello, I've tried with Fx57 but I didn't manage to get the prompt. I've tried with Outlook.com.

    Hello, I've tried with Fx57 but I didn't manage to get the prompt. I've tried with Outlook.com.
  9. AliceWyman 5156 posts
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    I tried with Firefox 57 and I don't get a prompt, either. Not sure what we should do with this article at this point, other than to wait for other suggestions.

    I tried with Firefox 57 and I don't get a prompt, either. Not sure what we should do with this article at this point, other than to wait for other suggestions.
  10. AliceWyman 5156 posts
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    I did find out that you can clear offline data without removing cookies via Clear Recent History (I had to choose Library -> History -> Clear Recent History in fx57) : Fx57ClearRecentHistory-Offline

    Fx57ClearRecentHistory-Offline

    Related: Bug 104709 'Clear Recent History' with 'Cache' or 'Offline Website Data' doesn't clear QuotaManager storage and ServiceWorkers VERIFIED FIXED in Firefox 56

    I did find out that you can clear offline data without removing cookies via [[Delete browsing, search and download history on Firefox#w_how-do-i-clear-my-history|Clear Recent History]] (I had to choose Library -> History -> Clear Recent History in fx57) : Fx57ClearRecentHistory-Offline ;[[Image:Fx57ClearRecentHistory-Offline]] Related: [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1047098 Bug 104709] 'Clear Recent History' with 'Cache' or 'Offline Website Data' doesn't clear QuotaManager storage and ServiceWorkers VERIFIED FIXED in Firefox 56
  11. Underpass 730 posts
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    Neither I do know what this article is for - it is even linked from the Options/Preferences window.

    I think I will not translate it until we can give it a "shape".

    Neither I do know what this article is for - it is even linked from the Options/Preferences window. I think I will not translate it until we can give it a "shape".
  12. AliceWyman 5156 posts
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    Maybe I should have filed a new bug but, I reopened Bug 1313602 - Need "Learn More" page for persistent storage permission ... with a NeedInfo for Joni and a comment that links to this discussion.

    Maybe I should have filed a new bug but, I reopened [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1313602 Bug 1313602] - Need "Learn More" page for persistent storage permission ... with a NeedInfo for Joni and a comment that links to this discussion.
  13. AliceWyman 5156 posts
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    AliceWyman said

    The "Clear all data" button removing all cookies is a bigger problem. You're right, it removes all cookies in Firefox 57 (screenshot).

    To clarify, before all cookies are cleared you have to confirm removal by clicking "Clear Now" in the "Clear all cookies and site data" warning dialog, as shown in the screenshot. The main point here is that the removed cookies are not just those for the site(s) that had stored offline data; it's ALL cookies for ALL sites.

    ALL cookies for ALL sites, as well as stored site data, are also cleared if you remove sites listed in the Fx57 Privacy&Security -> Site Data -> Settings dialog, after you click the "Save Changes" button and confirm removal in the warning prompt (as shown in this screenshot).

    By the way, I confirmed that offline site data was removed by checking the contents of the profile folder ... in my case, C:\Users\wymette\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\xgypz73l.newbeta\storage\default ... which contains a https+++read.amazon.com folder if offline data from https://read.amazon.com is being stored.

    ''AliceWyman [[#post-15618|said]]'' <blockquote>The "Clear all data" button removing all cookies is a bigger problem. You're right, it removes all cookies in Firefox 57 ([https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/gallery/image/28926 screenshot]). </blockquote> To clarify, before all cookies are cleared you have to confirm removal by clicking "Clear Now" in the "Clear all cookies and site data" warning dialog, as shown in the screenshot. The main point here is that the removed cookies are not just those for the site(s) that had stored offline data; it's ALL cookies for ALL sites. ALL cookies for ALL sites, as well as stored site data, are also cleared if you remove sites listed in the Fx57 Privacy&Security -> Site Data -> Settings dialog, after you click the "Save Changes" button and confirm removal in the warning prompt (as shown in [https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/gallery/image/28942 this screenshot]). By the way, I confirmed that offline site data was removed by checking the contents of the profile folder ... in my case, C:\Users\wymette\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\xgypz73l.newbeta\storage\default ... which contains a https+++read.amazon''.''com folder if offline data from https://read.amazon.com is being stored.
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  14. AliceWyman 5156 posts
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    From https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1313602#c22 Alice Wyman Comment 22 • 2017-11-22 07:28 EST Nothing has been done yet about fixing this article. There's now a related question in the Firefox support forum: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1188969 How is "Site Data" entirely disabled ? (No site data allowed). The Firefox 57 documentation regarding "Site Data" is entirely incorrect.''

    Since this article no longer applies to cuirrent versions of Firefox I think it should be temporarily archived. I'll do that now.

    From https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1313602#c22 Alice Wyman Comment 22 • 2017-11-22 07:28 EST ''Nothing has been done yet about fixing this article. There's now a related question in the Firefox support forum: ''https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1188969 How is "Site Data" entirely disabled ? (No site data allowed). The Firefox 57 documentation regarding "Site Data" is entirely incorrect.'''' Since this article no longer applies to cuirrent versions of Firefox I think it should be temporarily archived. I'll do that now.
  15. AliceWyman 5156 posts
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    P.S. For Firefox 55 and below: See this thread in the Advanced panel - Accessibility, browsing, network, updates, and other advanced settings in Firefox article discussion: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/advanced-panel-settings-in-firefox/discuss/6988#post-15095 [Fx53] Network tab: new "Site Data" section (bug 1313003) AliceWyman said

    I figured it out after doing a search and finding this gHacks article: https://www.ghacks.net/2017/04/30/firefox-53-ghacks-user-js-changes/ The Site Data section only appears when I set the preference browser.storageManager.enabled to "true" in about:config as shown in this screenshot: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/gallery/image/27642 I'm guessing that this is set when a user enables it after visiting a web page that asks for permission so there's no need IMO to update this article for fx53.

    When we update this article we may need to add back the following instructions for Fx55 and below (from Joni's June 16, 2017 revision):


    I want to modify or turn off this setting

    You can turn off this setting at any time by following these instructions:

    1. Click the menu button new fx menu at the top right corner.
    2. Click {for win}{menu Options}{/for}{for mac}{menu Preferences}{/for}
    3. Click {menu Advanced} on the left panel.
    4. In the Network Tab under Site Data, click {button Settings} to change your site storage API settings. You can also clear all the saved data by clicking "Clear all Data.”

    We should also mention that users may not see the "Site Data" section if storage permission was never allowed

    P.S. '''For Firefox 55 and below''': See this thread in the [[Advanced panel - Accessibility, browsing, network, updates, and other advanced settings in Firefox]] article discussion: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/advanced-panel-settings-in-firefox/discuss/6988#post-15095 [Fx53] Network tab: new "Site Data" section (bug 1313003) ''AliceWyman [[#post-15095|said]]'' <blockquote> I figured it out after doing a search and finding this gHacks article: https://www.ghacks.net/2017/04/30/firefox-53-ghacks-user-js-changes/ The Site Data section only appears when I set the preference '''browser.storageManager.enabled''' to "true" in about:config as shown in this screenshot: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/gallery/image/27642 I'm guessing that this is set when a user enables it after visiting a web page that asks for permission so there's no need IMO to update this article for fx53. </blockquote> When we update this article we may need to add back the following instructions for Fx55 and below (from Joni's June 16, 2017 revision): ----- ==I want to modify or turn off this setting== You can turn off this setting at any time by following these instructions: #Click the menu button [[Image:new fx menu]] at the top right corner. #Click {for win}{menu Options}{/for}{for mac}{menu Preferences}{/for} #Click {menu Advanced} on the left panel. #In the ''Network'' Tab under ''Site Data'', click {button Settings} to change your site storage API settings. You can also clear all the saved data by clicking "Clear all Data.” ----- We should also mention that users may not see the "Site Data" section if storage permission was never allowed
  16. Joni 351 posts
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    I'll get Tina and Francis to review the article and advise us on the best course of action.

    I'll get Tina and Francis to review the article and advise us on the best course of action.
  17. AliceWyman 5156 posts
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    I added Bug 1313602 to the thread title. See also the related bug report filed today, which is also about this article: Bug 1441804 - Learn More sumo page for Cookies and Site Data is out of date

    I added Bug 1313602 to the thread title. See also the related bug report filed today, which is also about this article: [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1441804 Bug 1441804] - Learn More sumo page for Cookies and Site Data is out of date
  18. AliceWyman 5156 posts
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    I started a new discussion here: The discussion thread is now here, due to article title change:
    https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/storage/discuss/7505
    https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/permission-store-data/discuss/7505 Fx60 "Cookies and Site Data" settings combined (bug 1432743)

    I started a new discussion here: <sub>The discussion thread is now here, due to article title change:<br>https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/storage/discuss/7505</sub> <s>https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/permission-store-data/discuss/7505</s> Fx60 "Cookies and Site Data" settings combined (bug 1432743)
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  19. AliceWyman 5156 posts
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    Joni recently renamed this in-product article (Manage local site storage settings) and replaced its content with new content for Firefox 60. See https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/storage/discuss/7505 and bug 1441804 for the background.

    Since this article is also linked from the Site Data section of about:preferences#privacy in Firefox 57 and above, I added content for 57+ and posted a comment on 2018-04-25 09:33 EDT to the bug report with a link to my pending revision.

    Joni recently renamed this in-product article ([https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/storage?redirectlocale=en-US&as=u&redirectslug=permission-store-data&utm_source=inproduct Manage local site storage settings]) and replaced its content with new content for Firefox 60. See https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/storage/discuss/7505 and [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1441804 bug 1441804] for the background. Since this article is also linked from the Site Data section of about:preferences#privacy in Firefox 57 and above, I added content for 57+ and posted [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1441804#c9 a comment] on 2018-04-25 09:33 EDT to the bug report with a link to my pending revision.
  20. Underpass 730 posts
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    Hello, is it possible to translate this even it is not "ready"? I would like not to have en-us pages linked from the UI :-)

    Hello, is it possible to translate this even it is not "ready"? I would like not to have en-us pages linked from the UI :-)
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