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How do I always start Firefox in Private Browsing? isn't correct

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  1. mkaply 0 posts
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    How do I always start Firefox in Private Browsing tells you how to simply turn off history.

    There is a way to start Firefox in real private browsing mode.

    Go to about:config

    Search for:

    browser.privatebrowsing.autostart

    Change that value to true.

    Firefox will always start in private mode.

    How do I always start Firefox in Private Browsing tells you how to simply turn off history. There is a way to start Firefox in real private browsing mode. Go to about:config Search for: browser.privatebrowsing.autostart Change that value to true. Firefox will always start in private mode.
  2. Balu Ertl 0 posts
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    Even if it's good to know, where to turn it on via about:config but in v20 (not sure from which version) you can do this on Settings panel, without risking the deep configuration area:

    Settings > Privacy tab > History section > Firefox will: Use custom settings for Privacy > Always use Private browsing mode: ON

    mkaply said

    How do I always start Firefox in Private Browsing tells you how to simply turn off history. There is a way to start Firefox in real private browsing mode. Go to about:config Search for: browser.privatebrowsing.autostart Change that value to true. Firefox will always start in private mode.
    Even if it's good to know, where to turn it on via about:config but in v20 (not sure from which version) you can do this on Settings panel, without risking the deep configuration area: Settings > Privacy tab > History section > Firefox will: Use custom settings for Privacy > Always use Private browsing mode: ON ''mkaply [[#post-8269|said]]'' <blockquote> How do I always start Firefox in Private Browsing tells you how to simply turn off history. There is a way to start Firefox in real private browsing mode. Go to about:config Search for: browser.privatebrowsing.autostart Change that value to true. Firefox will always start in private mode. </blockquote>
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  3. John99 2775 posts
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    balu.ertl,

    I think you may have missed the point of mkaply's post.

    The action you and our KB describes does NOT enable Private Browsing, it merely stops History from being saved.

    To demonstrate this let's see what happens when an action results in a cookie being set.

    1. open a true Private Browsing window so that you see the mask icon
      1. in that PB window open the KB article Private Browsing - Browse the web without saving information about the sites you visit
      2. Now use the option selector buttons at the top of the page select a different OS & Firefox Version. That displays a slightly different version of the document and attempts to set two cookies.
      3. Navigate back to the ordinary Window and open the link Private Browsing - Browse the web without saving information about the sites you visit. You will see the correct default document matching your OS & version.
    2. Repeat the above but this time use your pseudo private browsing method, by opting not to save History. This time you will get a different result because you will have set and saved two cookies. Until you delete them you will see a document relating to another OS & version.
    balu.ertl, I think you may have missed the point of ''mkaply'''s post. The action you and our KB describes does NOT enable Private Browsing, it merely stops History from being saved. To demonstrate this let's see what happens when an action results in a cookie being set. #open a true Private Browsing window so that you see the mask icon ## in that PB window open the KB article [[Private Browsing - Browse the web without saving information about the sites you visit]] ##Now use the option selector buttons at the top of the page select a different OS & Firefox Version. That displays a slightly different version of the document and attempts to set two cookies. ##Navigate back to the ordinary Window and open the link [[Private Browsing - Browse the web without saving information about the sites you visit]]. You will see the correct default document matching your OS & version. # Repeat the above but this time use your pseudo private browsing method, by opting not to save History. This time you will get a different result because you will have set and saved two cookies. Until you delete them you will see a document relating to another OS & version.
  4. John99 2775 posts
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    Our KB article is wrong and will need editing.

    We usually avoid adding changes requiring about:config in KB articles. Should we make an exception here and add mkaply's suggestion. Or should we just make it clear that the not save History option is not true Private Browsing.

    This is a material change to a top article (it is ranked number two ) so needs discussion before being edited.

    Our KB article is wrong and will need editing. We usually avoid adding changes requiring about:config in KB articles. Should we make an exception here and add ''mkaply'''s suggestion. Or should we just make it clear that the not save History option is not true Private Browsing. This is a material change to a top article (it is ranked number two ) so needs discussion before being edited.
  5. mkaply 0 posts
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    actually, we don't need to make an exception here. The new version of Firefox has a way to turn on private browsing in the same location specified in the article.

    If you go to Privacy and select "Use custom settings for history" you'll see a checkbox - Always use private browsing mode.

    So we need a new screenshot and we need to change the text

    actually, we don't need to make an exception here. The new version of Firefox has a way to turn on private browsing in the same location specified in the article. If you go to Privacy and select "Use custom settings for history" you'll see a checkbox - Always use private browsing mode. So we need a new screenshot and we need to change the text
  6. John99 2775 posts
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    mkaply said

    actually, we don't need to make an exception here. The new version of Firefox has a way to turn on private browsing in the same location specified in the article. ....

    Which new version will that be ?

    I think the article is still going to need an edit. It currently defaults to documenting ESR & 20, 21, 22. It will continue to document ESR17 whilst that remains the ESR Release. (On the KB we do not document Nightly, Aurora & Beta).

    I have not attempted to look up the bugs and milestones but Nightly does not seem to have changed as yet. On 23.0a1 (2013-04-18) I do not notice a change to specifically offer a permanent PB mode.(but no checkbox)

    ''mkaply [[#post-8334|said]]'' <blockquote> actually, we don't need to make an exception here. The new version of Firefox has a way to turn on private browsing in the same location specified in the article. .... </blockquote> Which new version will that be ? I think the article is still going to need an edit. It currently defaults to documenting ESR & 20, 21, 22. It will continue to document ESR17 whilst that remains the ESR Release. (On the KB we do not document Nightly, Aurora & Beta). I have not attempted to look up the bugs and milestones <s>but Nightly does not seem to have changed as yet. On 23.0a1 (2013-04-18) I do not notice a change to specifically offer a permanent PB mode.</s>(but no checkbox)
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  7. mkaply 0 posts
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    It's in Firefox 20.

    See:

    http://imgur.com/t32xdlE

    It's in Firefox 20. See: http://imgur.com/t32xdlE
  8. John99 2775 posts
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    I was rather too hasty there. Nightly does say it is the same as PB Private Browsing new method So does Aurora and Beta.

    I was rather too hasty there. Nightly does say it is the same as PB [[Image:Private Browsing new method]] So does Aurora and Beta.
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  9. Michael Verdi 1755 posts
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    John99 said

    Our KB article is wrong and will need editing.

    The article is not wrong. If you select "Never remember history" you will see a message that this will use the same settings as private browsing. And indeed, testing this out you see that cookies are not retained, browsing history is not retained, passwords are not saved, etc.

    pb-fx20

    ''John99 [[#post-8333|said]]'' <blockquote> Our KB article is wrong and will need editing. </blockquote> The article is not wrong. If you select "Never remember history" you will see a message that this will use the '''same''' settings as private browsing. And indeed, testing this out you see that cookies are not retained, browsing history is not retained, passwords are not saved, etc. [[Image:pb-fx20]]
  10. John99 2775 posts
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    Michael,

    I think it is still not <edit>totally</edit> correct. The images and instructions on all OS options using fx20 instruct to use not save History. They should instruct to use custom settings they do not.


    I know we do not always have the correct images, and note the articles selectors available are fx:ESR|20|21|22 but that the for arguments used are

    • TOC: {for not fx20} vs {for fx20}
    • How do I always start Firefox in Private Browsing?
      {for not fx1i} vs {for fx11}

    If I select any OS and FX20

    • I see an image highlighting the drop-down option:
      Never remember History

    * I should be shown the highlighted option
    Use custom settings for History

    The instructions displayed are incorrect because they also use
    Never remember ....
    instead of
    Use custom settings.

    If you enter Private Browsing this way, the {button Firefox} button won't turn purple but Firefox will still not retain your history as described above.{/for}{/note}
    1. [[T:optionspreferences]]
    2. Select the {menu Privacy} panel.
    3. Set Firefox will: to Never remember history.
      {for winxp} Never Remember History WinXP {/for}{for win7,win8} Never Remember History Win7 {/for}{for mac} Never Remember History Mac {/for}{for linux} Never Remember History Lin {/for}
    4. You will see a message that Firefox needs to restart to enable this feature. Click {button OK} and Firefox will restart in permanent Private Browsing mode.

    Following these instructions above the user is told it will restart in private browsing mode, it will not it will start in do not save History mode. <ed>but it would have been better to show correct images.</ed>


    edits

    Yes Firefox 20 does start in private browsing mode doing it as instructed.

    Michael, I think it is still not <edit>''totally''</edit> correct. The images and instructions on all OS options using fx20 instruct to use not save History. <s>They should instruct to use custom settings they do not. </s> I know we do not always have the correct images, and note the articles selectors available are fx:ESR|20|21|22 but that the for arguments used are *''TOC'': {for not fx20} vs {for fx20} * ''How do I always start Firefox in Private Browsing?'' <br /> {for not fx1i} vs {for fx11} If I select any OS '''and FX20''' * I see an image highlighting the drop-down option: <br /> '' Never remember History'' <s>*''' I should be shown the highlighted option <br /> ''Use custom settings for History'' ''' The instructions displayed are incorrect because they also use <br /> Never remember .... <br />instead of <br />Use custom settings. </s> <blockquote> If you enter Private Browsing this way, the {button Firefox} button won't turn purple but Firefox will still not retain your history as described above.{/for}{/note} #[[T:optionspreferences]] #Select the {menu Privacy} panel. #Set '''Firefox will:''' to '''Never remember history'''.<br>{for winxp}[[Image:Never Remember History WinXP]]{/for}{for win7,win8}[[Image:Never Remember History Win7]]{/for}{for mac}[[Image:Never Remember History Mac]]{/for}{for linux}[[Image:Never Remember History Lin]]{/for} #You will see a message that Firefox needs to restart to enable this feature. Click {button OK} and Firefox will restart in permanent Private Browsing mode. </blockquote> Following these instructions above the user is told it will restart in private browsing mode, it will <s>not it will start in do not save History mode.</s> <ed>''but it would have been better to show correct images.''</ed> --------- edits Yes Firefox 20 does start in private browsing mode doing it as instructed.
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  11. Michael Verdi 1755 posts
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    John99 said

    Following these instructions above the user is told it will restart in private browsing mode, it will not it will start in do not save History mode.

    Maybe we are misunderstanding each other. Here is a video of me putting Firefox 20 in permanent private browsing mode using my new instructions. It does seem to work. http://people.mozilla.org/~mverdi/video/pb.webmsd.webm

    ''John99 [[#post-8339|said]]'' <blockquote> Following these instructions above the user is told it will restart in private browsing mode, it will not it will start in do not save History mode. </blockquote> Maybe we are misunderstanding each other. Here is a video of me putting Firefox 20 in permanent private browsing mode using my new instructions. It does seem to work. http://people.mozilla.org/~mverdi/video/pb.webmsd.webm
  12. John99 2775 posts
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    Yes I was wrong I checked again in Windows and Linux, and have edited the post above.

    The images may not be exact but that is a minor point.

    Yes I was wrong I checked again in Windows and Linux, and have edited the post above. The images may not be exact but that is a minor point.
  13. Michael Verdi 1755 posts
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    John99 said

    Yes I was wrong I checked again in Windows and Linux, and have edited the post above. The images may not be exact but that is a minor point.

    No worries. It's good practice to question and verify.

    The images are actually correct. The wording doesn't change until you select the item at which point the whole view changes. That's just the way the UI works. That's something I'll bring up with the UX team.

    ''John99 [[#post-8341|said]]'' <blockquote> Yes I was wrong I checked again in Windows and Linux, and have edited the post above. The images may not be exact but that is a minor point. </blockquote> No worries. It's good practice to question and verify. The images are actually correct. The wording doesn't change until you select the item at which point the whole view changes. That's just the way the UI works. That's something I'll bring up with the UX team.
  14. John99 2775 posts
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    Yes sorry about that you are absolutely correct.

    i have gone back as far as ESR 10 and even that specifically offers private browsing from the do not save History option. So even on that there is no need to use the custom option to get private browsing.

    The wording on the image mentioning the private browsing does not change untii the option has been selected. So again I am wrong they are not old images,

    I guess for quite few years now I have been relying on using PB as necessary without needing to worry about the History settings.

    Yes sorry about that you are absolutely correct. i have gone back as far as ESR 10 and even that specifically offers private browsing from the do not save History option. So even on that there is no need to use the custom option to get private browsing. The wording on the image mentioning the private browsing does not change untii the option has been selected. So again I am wrong they are not old images, I guess for quite few years now I have been relying on using PB as necessary without needing to worry about the History settings.