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Starting in Thunderbird 54?

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  • Last reply by Michele Rodaro
  1. Underpass 707 posts
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    Hello, can anyone please explain the last edit?

    https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-subscribe-news-feeds-and-blogs/compare?locale=en-US&to=152272&from=115188

    As far as I know, Thunderbird 54 is currently a beta version (the last stable version being 52.4). The next mileston will probably be version 59.

    So I think that mentioning a beta version can be misleading.

    Hello, can anyone please explain the last edit? https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-subscribe-news-feeds-and-blogs/compare?locale=en-US&to=152272&from=115188 As far as I know, Thunderbird 54 is currently a beta version (the last stable version being 52.4). The next mileston will probably be version 59. So I think that mentioning a beta version can be misleading.
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  2. Michele Rodaro 303 posts
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    Could anyone get us an answer to this old question?

    The present release is the version 52.9.1 and the next version will be Tb60. So, I think we should revert to the previous revision (the one before the edits of @alta88 - without the edits for Tb54), because the edits are for Tb54 that is a beta version, and common users don't install/use beta versions...unless those edits are still valid for Tb60. I don't use beta versions of Thunderbird so I can't verify.

    Edit: I created a new profile, installed Thunderbird 60 and subscribed a feed to verify the edits for TB54

    • New in Thunderbird 54: Users with very many feeds may choose to limit the number of feeds simultaneously being processed by setting the pref rss.max_concurrent_feeds. The default is 25.

    I didn't find the rss.max_concurrent_feeds pref in the Config Editor. So, maybe that pref has been removed in TB60 and the edit is incorrect. Can you verify?

    Could anyone get us an answer to this old question? The present release is the version 52.9.1 and the next version will be Tb60. So, I think we should revert to the previous revision (the one before the edits of @alta88 - without the edits for Tb54), because the edits are for Tb54 that is a beta version, and common users don't install/use beta versions...unless those edits are still valid for Tb60. I don't use beta versions of Thunderbird so I can't verify. Edit: I created a new profile, installed Thunderbird 60 and subscribed a feed to verify the edits for TB54 <blockquote> * New in Thunderbird 54: Users with very many feeds may choose to limit the number of feeds simultaneously being processed by setting the pref ''rss.max_concurrent_feeds''. The default is 25. </blockquote> I didn't find the ''rss.max_concurrent_feeds'' pref in the Config Editor. So, maybe that pref has been removed in TB60 and the edit is incorrect. Can you verify?
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  3. alta88 0 posts
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    I don't think stating the version when a change became available is misleading, even if it isn't a release version. It obviously means the feature is valid for 54 and higher, meaning 60.

    A pref does not necessarily have to be defined by default. Most advanced users know that a pref can be created on the fly in config editor. In this case, right click on config editor, New -> Integer, enter the prefstring, enter a value.

    Please do not revert anything without checking, thanks.

    I don't think stating the version when a change became available is misleading, even if it isn't a release version. It obviously means the feature is valid for 54 and higher, meaning 60. A pref does not necessarily have to be defined by default. Most advanced users know that a pref can be created on the fly in config editor. In this case, right click on config editor, New -> Integer, enter the prefstring, enter a value. Please do not revert anything without checking, thanks.
  4. alta88 0 posts
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    To clarify, the pref is not defined by default, but on the very first download of a feed on a brand new profile, the pref is created by the code and persists thereafter. That's why you didn't see it..

    To clarify, the pref is not defined by default, but on the very first download of a feed on a brand new profile, the pref is created by the code and persists thereafter. That's why you didn't see it..
  5. Michele Rodaro 303 posts
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    Hi alta88, Thanks so much for your kind reply :-) Without any desire to be polemic, but I have some doubts: These support articles are for all kind of users, not just for advanced users. Inexperienced users (The majority of our KB readers) don't use beta versions and don't know how to create a pref in config editor. So, if this pref exist in the config editor by default, it's ok to mention it, otherwise (IMHO) is confusing for the normal users.

    alta88 said

    To clarify, the pref is not defined by default, but on the very first download of a feed on a brand new profile, the pref is created by the code and persists thereafter. That's why you didn't see it..

    I didn't know, thanks for clarifying it for me. It could be useful to mention it in the article ;-)

    In the Sumo KB articles, we never used instructions for beta versions (Correct me if I'm wrong) but just for release versions.

    If the instructions are still valid for TB60, I believe that you should edit the article again. In my opinion we shouldn't use "New in Thunderbird 54:" because the official releases are TB52 and then TB60. Only a beta user knows that those changes were added in TB54, not a normal user. So, I think that all those "New in Thunderbird 54:" should be changed as "New in Thunderbird 60:" (the new release version).

    That said, it's not my intention to ask to revert anything but just to ask not to mention instructions for beta versions.

    Thank you for your patience ;-)

    Hi alta88, Thanks so much for your kind reply :-) Without any desire to be polemic, but I have some doubts: These support articles are for all kind of users, not just for advanced users. Inexperienced users (The majority of our KB readers) don't use beta versions and don't know how to create a pref in config editor. So, if this pref exist in the config editor by default, it's ok to mention it, otherwise (IMHO) is confusing for the normal users. ''alta88 [[#post-16875|said]]'' <blockquote> To clarify, the pref is not defined by default, but on the very first download of a feed on a brand new profile, the pref is created by the code and persists thereafter. That's why you didn't see it.. </blockquote> I didn't know, thanks for clarifying it for me. It could be useful to mention it in the article ;-) In the Sumo KB articles, we never used instructions for beta versions (Correct me if I'm wrong) but just for release versions. If the instructions are still valid for TB60, I believe that you should edit the article again. In my opinion we shouldn't use "New in Thunderbird 54:" because the official releases are TB52 and then TB60. Only a beta user knows that those changes were added in TB54, not a normal user. So, I think that all those "New in Thunderbird 54:" should be changed as "New in Thunderbird 60:" (the new release version). That said, it's not my intention to ask to revert anything but just to ask not to mention instructions for beta versions. Thank you for your patience ;-)
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  6. alta88 0 posts
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    When the new features were added to the article, Tb60 was a long way off, but I wanted them to be known as early as possible. There are actually a surprisingly large number of beta users. Now that 60 is out, it's fine to change to the release version.

    When the new features were added to the article, Tb60 was a long way off, but I wanted them to be known as early as possible. There are actually a surprisingly large number of beta users. Now that 60 is out, it's fine to change to the release version.
  7. Underpass 707 posts
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    In the Firefox KB there is a template just for this purpose:

    https://support.mozilla.org/it/kb/templatefxdesktopbeta

    If a feature exists only in beta, it must be specified. We can't do all we want in here.

    In the Firefox KB there is a template just for this purpose: https://support.mozilla.org/it/kb/templatefxdesktopbeta If a feature exists only in beta, it must be specified. We can't do all we want in here.
  8. Michele Rodaro 303 posts
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    Hi alta88,
    I saw your last edits (thanks). Could you please clarify this for me?

    • New in Thunderbird 60: Feed folders that contain a subscription url that is in error (server not reachable, feed file not found, certificate error, etc.) will be indicated with an icon.
    What kind of icon is shown? Just to understand, I can't verify because I never got this issue. Thanks in advance ;-)
    Hi alta88,<br> I saw your last edits (thanks). Could you please clarify this for me? <blockquote> * New in Thunderbird 60: Feed folders that contain a subscription url that is in error (server not reachable, feed file not found, certificate error, etc.) will be indicated with an '''icon'''. </blockquote> What kind of icon is shown? Just to understand, I can't verify because I never got this issue. Thanks in advance ;-)
  9. alta88 0 posts
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    You're lucky. One way is to disconnect wifi/lan and get messages. Another is to subscribe to an invalid feed url (the article explains how).

    It looks like this on win: https://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/themes/windows/global/icons/error-16.png

    You're lucky. One way is to disconnect wifi/lan and get messages. Another is to subscribe to an invalid feed url (the article explains how). It looks like this on win: https://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/themes/windows/global/icons/error-16.png
  10. Chris Ilias 1972 posts
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    Changing version numbers in content is something that KB localizers should be made aware of and update their localized versions accordingly, so I added an empty edit and marked it as ready for localization.

    Changing version numbers in content is something that KB localizers should be made aware of and update their localized versions accordingly, so I added an empty edit and marked it as ready for localization.
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  11. Michele Rodaro 303 posts
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    Thanks alta88, for the image and for the tips. I disconnected wi-fi and I got the icon. (On Mac it's like the Windows one).

    Thanks Chris for marking the article ready for localization.

    Now I'll update the Italian article ;-)

    Thanks alta88, for the image and for the tips. I disconnected wi-fi and I got the icon. (On Mac it's like the Windows one). Thanks Chris for marking the article ready for localization. Now I'll update the Italian article ;-)
  12. Michele Rodaro 303 posts
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    Hi, I made some edits to the last revision: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-subscribe-news-feeds-and-blogs/compare?locale=en-US&to=166016&from=165981 as suggested by the Wiki syntax for numbered lists, pref name / value, etc. (See Markup chart) and added a link to the Config Editor article.

    Feel free to approve or reject them ;-)

    Hi, I made some edits to the last revision: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-subscribe-news-feeds-and-blogs/compare?locale=en-US&to=166016&from=165981 as suggested by the Wiki syntax for numbered lists, pref name / value, etc. (See [[Markup chart]]) and added a link to the Config Editor article. Feel free to approve or reject them ;-)
  13. alta88 0 posts
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    Thanks, that looks nice. There's one place where 54 was missed, perhaps you could fix it. I didn't see how to 'approve' your change, but consider it so.

    Thanks, that looks nice. There's one place where 54 was missed, perhaps you could fix it. I didn't see how to 'approve' your change, but consider it so.
  14. Michele Rodaro 303 posts
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    Hi alta88, I made the edit to change that 54 with 60. Here is the Diff: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-subscribe-news-feeds-and-blogs/compare?locale=en-US&to=166070&from=166016 Let's wait for Chris for approval ;-)

    Hi alta88, I made the edit to change that 54 with 60. Here is the Diff: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-subscribe-news-feeds-and-blogs/compare?locale=en-US&to=166070&from=166016 Let's wait for Chris for approval ;-)
  15. alta88 0 posts
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    Hi Michele, If the recommended style for pref strings is as you updated in the max concurrent feeds tip, perhaps you could also make the console logging tip also match that style for consistency.. Thanks.

    Hi Michele, If the recommended style for pref strings is as you updated in the max concurrent feeds tip, perhaps you could also make the console logging tip also match that style for consistency.. Thanks.
  16. Michele Rodaro 303 posts
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    Hi alta88, I made the edit. Here is the Diff: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-subscribe-news-feeds-and-blogs/compare?locale=en-US&to=166119&from=166070 Next time you could edit by yourself if you find something to edit, otherwise Chris gets tired of my continuous edits and could ban me :-D

    Hi alta88, I made the edit. Here is the Diff: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-subscribe-news-feeds-and-blogs/compare?locale=en-US&to=166119&from=166070 Next time you could edit by yourself if you find something to edit, otherwise Chris gets tired of my continuous edits and could ban me :-D