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[Renamed] It's only about DNT (was: This article does more harm than good)

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  1. skeptix 0 posts
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    (1) As written, the title is incorrect. This page seems to be an article about 'how to enable/disable the Do-Not-Track feature.' That DOES NOT prevent websites from tracking users.

    If, on the other hand, you want this page to explain how users can avoid web tracking, I suggest these changes:

    (2) The page should VERY EXPLICITLY STATE that DNT does not offer any guarantees whatsoever about tracking, and that the DNT specifications do not even give a formal definition for tracking.

    (3) The page should list EFFECTIVE strategies to prevent website tracking.

    For instance, I'd recommend this:

    - Install the AdBlock plug-in.

    - Disable javascript entirely, or at least use a plug-in like NoScript which disables javascript by default, but lets users enable it on a case-by-case basis.

    - Disable cookies entirely, or at least delete ALL cookies every time firefox closes.

    - Disable Flash entirely, or at least use a plug-in like FlashBlock or NoScript which disables flash by default, but lets users enable it on a case-by-case basis.

    - If you must run Flash, then at least run a plug-in such as BetterPrivacy that can delete Flash LSOs automatically every time firefox closes.

    - Do not use a search engine while logged in.

    - Use Tor ( torproject.org )

    I know my list is not complete, but it's a lot better than recommending an untested technology that offers no guarantees.

    (3) Give the users an idea of how to determine if their solution works. Things which come to mind include:

    - The evercookie test: http://samy.pl/evercookie/

    - The EFF's Panopticlick project: http://panopticlick.eff.org/

    (1) As written, the title is incorrect. This page seems to be an article about 'how to enable/disable the Do-Not-Track feature.' That DOES NOT prevent websites from tracking users. If, on the other hand, you want this page to explain how users can avoid web tracking, I suggest these changes: (2) The page should VERY EXPLICITLY STATE that DNT does not offer any guarantees whatsoever about tracking, and that the DNT specifications do not even give a formal definition for tracking. (3) The page should list EFFECTIVE strategies to prevent website tracking. For instance, I'd recommend this: - Install the AdBlock plug-in. - Disable javascript entirely, or at least use a plug-in like NoScript which disables javascript by default, but lets users enable it on a case-by-case basis. - Disable cookies entirely, or at least delete ALL cookies every time firefox closes. - Disable Flash entirely, or at least use a plug-in like FlashBlock or NoScript which disables flash by default, but lets users enable it on a case-by-case basis. - If you must run Flash, then at least run a plug-in such as BetterPrivacy that can delete Flash LSOs automatically every time firefox closes. - Do not use a search engine while logged in. - Use Tor ( torproject.org ) I know my list is not complete, but it's a lot better than recommending an untested technology that offers no guarantees. (3) Give the users an idea of how to determine if their solution works. Things which come to mind include: - The evercookie test: http://samy.pl/evercookie/ - The EFF's Panopticlick project: http://panopticlick.eff.org/
  2. scoobidiver 1275 posts
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    skeptix said

    As written, the title is incorrect. This page seems to be an article about 'how to enable/disable the Do-Not-Track feature.' That DOES NOT prevent websites from tracking users.

    Maybe, but an attractive title is the best way to make this new feature known.

    DNT does not offer any guarantees whatsoever about tracking

    I agree that this can be included as a note in the article.

    The page should list EFFECTIVE strategies to prevent website tracking.

    There were already two planned articles about this topic: "How can I improve my privacy and security?" (see this thread that must no longer be used) and "Staying safe on the web" (see this thread that must no longer be used) as Privacy and Security are closely related.
    But unfortunately, as there's a shortage of volunteers, KB editors focus on improving top viewed existing articles.
    If you want to contribute to this article with your ideas, see Improving articles.

    ''skeptix [[#post-3794|said]]'' <blockquote> As written, the title is incorrect. This page seems to be an article about 'how to enable/disable the Do-Not-Track feature.' That DOES NOT prevent websites from tracking users. </blockquote> Maybe, but an attractive title is the best way to make this new feature known. <blockquote> DNT does not offer any guarantees whatsoever about tracking </blockquote> I agree that this can be included as a note in the article. <blockquote> The page should list EFFECTIVE strategies to prevent website tracking. </blockquote> There were already two planned articles about this topic: "How can I improve my privacy and security?" (see [/forums/knowledge-base-articles/704973 this thread] that must no longer be used) and "Staying safe on the web" (see [/forums/knowledge-base-articles/614056 this thread] that must no longer be used) as Privacy and Security are closely related.<br> But unfortunately, as there's a shortage of volunteers, KB editors focus on improving top viewed existing articles.<br> If you want to contribute to this article with your ideas, see [[How the Knowledge Base works#w_improving-articles|Improving articles]].
  3. skeptix 0 posts
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    I would love to contribute, though I am reluctant to make big edits until the final home of the article is selected.

    In the short term, I think I will contribute to this page

    I would love to contribute, though I am reluctant to make big edits until the final home of the article is selected. In the short term, I think I will contribute to this page
  4. scoobidiver 1275 posts
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    skeptix said

    I would love to contribute, though I am reluctant to make big edits until the final home of the article is selected.

    Consider this article as the final home and the DNT feature only as one section (DNT is already treated in Settings for privacy, browsing history and do-not-track). We can rename the article later if the future content is not completely related to the title or move some part of content to another article.

    ''skeptix [[#post-3798|said]]'' <blockquote> I would love to contribute, though I am reluctant to make big edits until the final home of the article is selected. </blockquote> Consider this article as the final home and the DNT feature only as one section (DNT is already treated in [[Options window - Privacy panel#w_tracking]]). We can rename the article later if the future content is not completely related to the title or move some part of content to another article.
  5. mluna 253 posts
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    I agree that this should be the 'final home' for this content and that adding the suggestions above for effective prevention of web site tracking would be a great improvement.

    I agree that this should be the 'final home' for this content and that adding the suggestions above for effective prevention of web site tracking would be a great improvement.
  6. skeptix 0 posts
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    Cool. I'm working on it... Might take a week, I've got a lot on my plate now :)

    Cool. I'm working on it... Might take a week, I've got a lot on my plate now :)
  7. Michael Verdi 1755 posts
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    I think a title change is all we should do to this article. Maybe we should just rename this to "How do I turn the Do-not-track feature on?" The other articles that Scoobidiver mentions are the best candidates for additional information about things other than the DNT feature. This article would link to them.

    Also, I would urge presenting this information in a way that isn't alarmist. Turning off javascript, flash, and cookies entirely is like asking people to experience the web as it was in 1994 and not necessary. But people should know how tracking works, what it's used for and how they can take steps to avoid it if they wish.

    I think a title change is all we should do to this article. Maybe we should just rename this to "How do I turn the Do-not-track feature on?" The other articles that Scoobidiver mentions are the best candidates for additional information about things other than the DNT feature. This article would link to them. Also, I would urge presenting this information in a way that isn't alarmist. Turning off javascript, flash, and cookies entirely is like asking people to experience the web as it was in 1994 and not necessary. But people should know how tracking works, what it's used for and how they can take steps to avoid it if they wish.
  8. AliceWyman 4804 posts
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    I would rename this article to "How do I turn on the Do-not-track feature?" or maybe "What is the Do-not-track feature and how do I turn it on?"

    Here is mozilla.org's article, in case it helps: http://dnt.mozilla.org/

    I would rename this article to "How do I turn on the Do-not-track feature?" or maybe "What is the Do-not-track feature and how do I turn it on?" Here is mozilla.org's article, in case it helps: http://dnt.mozilla.org/
  9. Michael Verdi 1755 posts
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    AliceWyman said

    I would rename this article to "How do I turn on the Do-not-track feature?" or maybe "What is the Do-not-track feature and how do I turn it on?" Here is mozilla.org's article, in case it helps: http://dnt.mozilla.org/

    Thanks Alice, "How do I turn on the Do-not-track feature?" is much better. I think we should go with that.

    ''AliceWyman [[#post-3912|said]]'' <blockquote> I would rename this article to "How do I turn on the Do-not-track feature?" or maybe "What is the Do-not-track feature and how do I turn it on?" Here is mozilla.org's article, in case it helps: http://dnt.mozilla.org/ </blockquote> Thanks Alice, "How do I turn on the Do-not-track feature?" is much better. I think we should go with that.
  10. Michael Verdi 1755 posts
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    Ok, changing the name of this to "How do I turn on the Do-not-track feature?"

    Ok, changing the name of this to "How do I turn on the Do-not-track feature?"
  11. scoobidiver 1275 posts
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    How do localizers know that this article has been renamed? This renaming is important as it changes the article scope.

    I filed bug 692502 with no target milestone equivalent to a WONTFIX.

    How do localizers know that this article has been renamed? This renaming is important as it changes the article scope. I filed [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=692502 bug 692502] with no target milestone equivalent to a WONTFIX.
  12. Michael Verdi 1755 posts
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    I wouldn't assume no target milestone = wontfix. I'd assume it means that it hasn't been triaged. Commenting in the bug...

    I wouldn't assume no target milestone = wontfix. I'd assume it means that it hasn't been triaged. Commenting in the bug...