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Change title? (was: Does one really have to "enjoy" this feature?)

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  1. Tonnes 55 posts
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    Not that I dislike the Reader View feature, but the current title reminds me of a remark some local forum user mentioned a while ago. In our language, we used the literal translation of “enjoy” somewhere, and the remark was something like "I’d rather see some different wording, as “enjoying” is something for users to decide.”

    I think he has a point there so it was changed accordingly. As this article is the only one using “enjoy” in its title, how about leaving it out, or replacing it by “View” or something? If not, we might as well use it for any nice feature. ;)

    I know the current title is exactly similar to what’s used in Firefox, but that isn’t really a requirement for articles, is it?

    Not that I dislike the Reader View feature, but the current title reminds me of a remark some local forum user mentioned a while ago. In our language, we used the literal translation of “enjoy” somewhere, and the remark was something like ''"I’d rather see some different wording, as “enjoying” is something for users to decide.”'' I think he has a point there so it was changed accordingly. As this article is the only one using “enjoy” in its title, how about leaving it out, or replacing it by “View” or something? If not, we might as well use it for any nice feature. ;) I know the current title is exactly similar to [https://transvision.mozfr.org/string/?entity=browser/chrome/browser/browser.properties:readingList.prepopulatedArticles.supportReaderView&repo=aurora what’s used in Firefox], but that isn’t really a requirement for articles, is it?
  2. AliceWyman 4780 posts
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    I also dislike "enjoy" in the title ... and the Template:update fx desktop used in this article doubles the enjoyment when you view this article in Fx37 or below. You see this:


    Enjoy clutter-free Web pages with Reader View

    Note: Please update your version of Firefox to enjoy these latest features.


    I see from the "What links here" listing that the original title of this article was: Firefox Reader View - distraction-free web pages

    I'm wondering why someone ( Joni ?) changed the title to the current one.

    Since I don't think we can go back to the original title now since a redirect exists, what about

    Use Firefox Reader View for clutter-free web pages

    or maybe

    Clutter-free web pages with Firefox Reader View

    I also dislike "enjoy" in the title ... and the [https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/templateupdate-fx-desktop Template:update fx desktop] used in this article doubles the enjoyment when you view this article in Fx37 or below. You see this: ----- Enjoy clutter-free Web pages with Reader View '''Note:''' Please [[Update Firefox to the latest version | update your version of Firefox]] to enjoy these latest features. ----- I see from the "What links here" listing that the original title of this article was: ''Firefox Reader View - distraction-free web pages'' I'm wondering why someone ( Joni ?) changed the title to the current one. Since I don't think we can go back to the original title now since a redirect exists, what about '''Use Firefox Reader View for clutter-free web pages''' or maybe '''Clutter-free web pages with Firefox Reader View'''
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  3. John99 3665 posts
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    +1 Clutter-free web pages with Firefox Reader View

    I do not really see the word enjoy as being helpful as part of a descriptive feature title. Unless maybe we know it helps with SEO.

    +1 Clutter-free web pages with Firefox Reader View I do not really see the word enjoy as being helpful as part of a descriptive feature title. Unless maybe we know it helps with SEO.
  4. AliceWyman 4780 posts
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    MY preference is Use Firefox Reader View for clutter-free web pages

    Any other suggestions or votes?

    MY preference is '''Use Firefox Reader View for clutter-free web pages''' Any other suggestions or votes?
  5. ideato 567 posts
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    AliceWyman said

    MY preference is Use Firefox Reader View for clutter-free web pages Any other suggestions or votes?

    +1 Use Firefox Reader View for clutter-free web pages

    ''AliceWyman [[#post-11873|said]]'' <blockquote> MY preference is '''Use Firefox Reader View for clutter-free web pages''' Any other suggestions or votes? </blockquote> +1 '''Use Firefox Reader View for clutter-free web pages'''
  6. Tonnes 55 posts
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    I would just use Reader View for clutter-free web pages, partly because of Use making it longer or less attractive to localize (however the article is about using the view and changing its settings), and partly because I don’t feel like using Firefox in titles that much, though I’m familiar with the policy to do so lately. The latter also reminds me of a friend telling he noticed lots of instances of the word Firefox in support articles in general, though that’s about their content, not titles.

    Please also keep in mind that, obviously, there is a tendency to treat terms like Firefox Reader View as proper nouns in en-US (hereby capitalizing all parts and leaving out “the”) even though the feature’s name itself is Reader View only, while other locales may not like or be able to do so and localize this to e.g. the reader view in Firefox, increasing title length.

    But all is fine with me, it’s just about “enjoy”.

    I would just use '''Reader View for clutter-free web pages''', partly because of ''Use'' making it longer or less attractive to localize (however the article is about using the view and changing its settings), and partly because I don’t feel like using ''Firefox'' in titles that much, though I’m familiar with the policy to do so lately. The latter also reminds me of a friend telling he noticed lots of instances of the word ''Firefox'' in support articles in general, though that’s about their content, not titles. Please also keep in mind that, obviously, there is a tendency to treat terms like ''Firefox Reader View'' as proper nouns in en-US (hereby capitalizing all parts and leaving out “the”) even though the feature’s name itself is ''Reader View'' only, while other locales may not like or be able to do so and localize this to e.g. ''the reader view in Firefox'', increasing title length. But all is fine with me, it’s just about “enjoy”.
  7. AliceWyman 4780 posts
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    So, we can remove "Use" from the title and go with Firefox Reader View for clutter-free web pages

    OK?

    So, we can remove "Use" from the title and go with '''Firefox Reader View for clutter-free web pages''' OK?
  8. AliceWyman 4780 posts
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    AliceWyman said

    So, we can remove "Use" from the title and go with Firefox Reader View for clutter-free web pages OK?

    Done.

    ''AliceWyman [[#post-11877|said]]'' <blockquote> So, we can remove "Use" from the title and go with '''Firefox Reader View for clutter-free web pages''' OK? </blockquote> Done.
  9. John99 3665 posts
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    Not trying to reopen this for a further change but another thought for a title is

    • Reader View for clutter-free web pages in Firefox

    It still moves Reader View to the front where it is less likely to be truncated. It also moves the word clutter further to the front. Whilst leaving the word Firefox in the title so it will help with disambiguation within Sumo, worthwhile in that Android Reader View differs, as Android temporarily saves the information locally.

    Not trying to reopen this for a further change but another thought for a title is * '''Reader View for clutter-free web pages in Firefox''' It still moves Reader View to the front where it is less likely to be truncated. It also moves the word clutter further to the front. Whilst leaving the word Firefox in the title so it will help with disambiguation within Sumo, worthwhile in that Android Reader View differs, as Android temporarily saves the information locally.
  10. Tonnes 55 posts
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    John99 said

    Not trying to reopen this for a further change but another thought for a title is
    • Reader View for clutter-free web pages in Firefox
    [...]

    Good points, I agree.

    ''John99 [[#post-11888|said]]'' <blockquote>Not trying to reopen this for a further change but another thought for a title is * '''Reader View for clutter-free web pages in Firefox''' [...] </blockquote> Good points, I agree.
  11. AliceWyman 4780 posts
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    John99 said

    Not trying to reopen this for a further change but another thought for a title is
    • Reader View for clutter-free web pages in Firefox
    It still moves Reader View to the front where it is less likely to be truncated. <snip>

    Similar, but having a better "flow" IMHO: Reader View in Firefox for clutter-free web pages

    P.S. John's suggestion, Reader View for clutter-free web pages in Firefox ... is also fine with me ... if we decide that another title change is needed.

    Both are less than 70 characters so the whole title should appear in Google search - see Write articles for the Knowledge Base under Pick a good title.

    ''John99 [[#post-11888|said]]'' <blockquote>Not trying to reopen this for a further change but another thought for a title is * '''Reader View for clutter-free web pages in Firefox''' It still moves Reader View to the front where it is less likely to be truncated. <snip> </blockquote> Similar, but having a better "flow" IMHO: '''Reader View in Firefox for clutter-free web pages''' P.S. John's suggestion, '''Reader View for clutter-free web pages in Firefox''' ... is also fine with me ... if we decide that another title change is needed. Both are less than 70 characters so the whole title should appear in Google search - see [[How to write Knowledge Base articles]] under ''Pick a good title''.
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  12. Tonnes 55 posts
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    AliceWyman said

    Similar, but having a better "flow" IMHO: Reader View in Firefox for clutter-free web pages

    As a coincidence, that’s exactly what’s currently used for our locale. Not that it would need to be similar in English, of course. ;)

    ''AliceWyman [[#post-11890|said]]'' <blockquote>Similar, but having a better "flow" IMHO: '''Reader View in Firefox for clutter-free web pages''' </blockquote> As a coincidence, that’s exactly what’s currently used for our locale. Not that it would need to be similar in English, of course. ;)
  13. Joni 309 posts
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    Here's some background on the title. That title was requested by the Creative team because they were going to pre-load this article in a first run tour (FTR) for the built-in Reading List. They needed the language to match other copy in the tour.

    As you know, Reading List was postponed (and the FTR along with it), so we're okay to change the title for now. Thanks for doing that.

    Here's some background on the title. That title was requested by the Creative team because they were going to pre-load this article in a first run tour (FTR) for the built-in Reading List. They needed the language to match other copy in the tour. As you know, Reading List was postponed (and the FTR along with it), so we're okay to change the title for now. Thanks for doing that.
  14. John99 3665 posts
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    Might help to add such facts to article discussions as background facts when initially creating the article. Maybe with links showing their proposed articles.

    Another thought is if they need a fancy name why not just create that as an anchor text or if necessary use a redirect that way both sides are happy.

    Might help to add such facts to article discussions as background facts when initially creating the article. Maybe with links showing their proposed articles. Another thought is if they need a fancy name why not just create that as an anchor text or if necessary use a redirect that way both sides are happy.
  15. Joni 309 posts
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    Might help to add such facts to article discussions as background facts when initially creating the article. Maybe with links showing their proposed articles.

    Alice had linked to the etherpad and other resources, but I'll make a habit out of calling out these details for future articles.

    <blockquote> Might help to add such facts to article discussions as background facts when initially creating the article. Maybe with links showing their proposed articles. </blockquote> Alice had linked to the etherpad and other resources, but I'll make a habit out of calling out these details for future articles.