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How can I get rid of the "snelfilterbalk" and "berichtvenster" permanently in Thunderbird?

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In Thunderbird I don't want the "snelfilterbalk" visible. I unchecked it in Options, but it appears again when i close Thunderbird and restart later. Same for "berichtvenster". How can I arrange that both aren't shown permanently? See uploaded images.

In Thunderbird I don't want the "snelfilterbalk" visible. I unchecked it in Options, but it appears again when i close Thunderbird and restart later. Same for "berichtvenster". How can I arrange that both aren't shown permanently? See uploaded images.

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I changed some settings in Thunderbird and CCleaner and one or more of these solved the problem. Thanks to all!

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Zenos 2265 Lösungen 12258 Antworten
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Google Translate tell me that the OP is complaining about the QuickFilter Bar and the Message Window. I presume this means the smaller ("preview") window below the Thread Pane.

MZmate, are you using any registry cleaner products such as CCleaner? These have a bad way of deleting settings files (*.json, for example) that Thunderbird needs.

Google Translate tell me that the OP is complaining about the QuickFilter Bar and the Message Window. I presume this means the smaller ("preview") window below the Thread Pane. MZmate, are you using any registry cleaner products such as CCleaner? These have a bad way of deleting settings files (*.json, for example) that Thunderbird needs.

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Google Translate is correct, I didn't know the English terms. The last time I used CCleaner - website preferences are unchecked and not the register cleaning used - is some weeks ago. I tried to get rid of the QuickFilter bar and the preview window several times last week. Doesn't make Thunderbird new settings files in those cases?

Google Translate is correct, I didn't know the English terms. The last time I used CCleaner - website preferences are unchecked and not the register cleaning used - is some weeks ago. I tried to get rid of the QuickFilter bar and the preview window several times last week. Doesn't make Thunderbird new settings files in those cases?
Zenos 2265 Lösungen 12258 Antworten
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To be brutally frank, I use, enjoy and value both of those features that you want so much to disable. It would be a painful hit on my workflow and productivity to switch them off just to study if and when their status changed back.

In order to check which files matter, I could take snapshots of settings files and look for the changes correlating with the enabling/disabling of these features, but I am wary that the differences I am looking for might be swamped by a large number of other legitimate differences.

Either way, it's a fair bit of work to see what can be done to help you. But since I think these are extremely useful tools, I hope you can understand I don't have much motivation for helping other users to switch them off. I'd rather spend time explaining the benefits.

Let me guess. You think the berichtvenster is a security risk, and the snelfilterbalk gives you trouble because it hides messages?

I was working with one user recently, who had an understandable wish to disable the message window, but in his case, he was working with a small display and it was simply more comfortable to view messages in their own window or tab.

Where screen size is not the problem, long-term users of Thunderbird tend to prefer to use the message window and the quickfilter; both of these help to reduce the number of clicks and keyboard strokes, or make searching for a message faster and easier.

I have a strong feeling that Thunderbird tends to "forget" settings. This manifests as toolbars that vanish, or account security settings that switch off, or an inexplicable switch to plain text composition when the user prefers html, and so on. In most cases, a non-default setting reverts to its default value. Your issue may be of this type, but I wouldn't know myself, because I use both the message window and the quick filter bar in their default "on" state.

The way Thunderbird works is that it reads in the settings and applies them. When you close Thunderbird, it re-writes the settings file from the settings currently in force. I suspect the "forgetting" happens at the write when closing, since users generally report that things have changed next time they run it, implying that the correct setting was in force the previous time they closed it. On opening, an absent setting will simply revert to its default value.

To be brutally frank, I use, enjoy and value both of those features that you want so much to disable. It would be a painful hit on my workflow and productivity to switch them off just to study if and when their status changed back. In order to check which files matter, I could take snapshots of settings files and look for the changes correlating with the enabling/disabling of these features, but I am wary that the differences I am looking for might be swamped by a large number of other legitimate differences. Either way, it's a fair bit of work to see what can be done to help you. But since I think these are extremely useful tools, I hope you can understand I don't have much motivation for helping other users to switch them off. I'd rather spend time explaining the benefits. Let me guess. You think the berichtvenster is a security risk, and the snelfilterbalk gives you trouble because it hides messages? I was working with one user recently, who had an understandable wish to disable the message window, but in his case, he was working with a small display and it was simply more comfortable to view messages in their own window or tab. Where screen size is not the problem, long-term users of Thunderbird tend to prefer to use the message window and the quickfilter; both of these help to reduce the number of clicks and keyboard strokes, or make searching for a message faster and easier. I have a strong feeling that Thunderbird tends to "forget" settings. This manifests as toolbars that vanish, or account security settings that switch off, or an inexplicable switch to plain text composition when the user prefers html, and so on. In most cases, a non-default setting reverts to its default value. Your issue may be of this type, but I wouldn't know myself, because I use both the message window and the quick filter bar in their default "on" state. The way Thunderbird works is that it reads in the settings and applies them. When you close Thunderbird, it re-writes the settings file from the settings currently in force. I suspect the "forgetting" happens at the write when closing, since users generally report that things have changed next time they run it, implying that the correct setting was in force the previous time they closed it. On opening, an absent setting will simply revert to its default value.
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First of all, what one wishes to see or not is one's own choice. For me these features have no value at all. Furthermore, it started to occur after updating to 45.8.0. Other settings are still kept, so why not these. These features can be switched off, so the user has the opportunity to disable them. Thunderbird must allow to switch them off permanently as before the update and investigate what goes wrong with the re-writing of the settings at closing.

First of all, what one wishes to see or not is one's own choice. For me these features have no value at all. Furthermore, it started to occur after updating to 45.8.0. Other settings are still kept, so why not these. These features can be switched off, so the user has the opportunity to disable them. Thunderbird must allow to switch them off permanently as before the update and investigate what goes wrong with the re-writing of the settings at closing.

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Onno Ekker 114 Lösungen 428 Antworten
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I don't see any screenshots, and I can't find a way under Options to disable the quick filter bar or the message pane. When you disable the message pane by pressing F8 or unchecking it from the View menu, it stays hidden for me. If you don't want to use the quick filterbar, you can hide it from Thunderbird, by adding the following lines to your userChrome.css:

  1. quick-filter-bar, #qfb-show-filter-bar, #view_toolbars_popup_quickFilterBar {
 display: none;

}

This will hide the quick filter bar itself, the toolbar button to enable it and the menuitem under View > Toolbars. See this article for more information about how to use userChrome.css.

I myself use the add-on Unified Search, which combines the global search and the quick search bar in one new bar and also allows for hiding/disabling the original quick search bar.

I don't see any screenshots, and I can't find a way under Options to disable the quick filter bar or the message pane. When you disable the message pane by pressing F8 or unchecking it from the View menu, it stays hidden for me. If you don't want to use the quick filterbar, you can hide it from Thunderbird, by adding the following lines to your userChrome.css: #quick-filter-bar, #qfb-show-filter-bar, #view_toolbars_popup_quickFilterBar { display: none; } This will hide the quick filter bar itself, the toolbar button to enable it and the menuitem under View > Toolbars. See [http://kb.mozillazine.org/index.php?title=UserChrome.css&printable=yes this article] for more information about how to use userChrome.css. I myself use the add-on Unified Search, which combines the global search and the quick search bar in one new bar and also allows for hiding/disabling the original quick search bar.
Zenos 2265 Lösungen 12258 Antworten
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MZmate, if you have a reproducible chain of actions that can demonstrate, consistently, the loss of these settings, then please raise a bug for it on bugzilla. I would dearly love to see some way of checking my hunch about settings being forgotten. But as I don't know of any way to produce this error condition on demand, I can't raise a bug myself.

Minor correction to Onno's post; the formatting tools on this site have changed a # into a 1.

#quick-filter-bar, #qfb-show-filter-bar, #view_toolbars_popup_quickFilterBar {
 display: none;
}

I don't know for sure, but I believe you could wrap the first long line:

#quick-filter-bar, 
#qfb-show-filter-bar, 
#view_toolbars_popup_quickFilterBar {
 display: none;
}
MZmate, if you have a reproducible chain of actions that can demonstrate, consistently, the loss of these settings, then please raise a bug for it on bugzilla. I would dearly love to see some way of checking my hunch about settings being forgotten. But as I don't know of any way to produce this error condition on demand, I can't raise a bug myself. Minor correction to Onno's post; the formatting tools on this site have changed a # into a 1. #quick-filter-bar, #qfb-show-filter-bar, #view_toolbars_popup_quickFilterBar { display: none; } I don't know for sure, but I believe you could wrap the first long line: #quick-filter-bar, #qfb-show-filter-bar, #view_toolbars_popup_quickFilterBar { display: none; }

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@ Onno Ekker #answer-992593

See enclosed Thunderbird 2.jpg: the two options are disabled. After closing Thunderbird and starting the app again, both are back.

See enclosed Thunderbird profile.jpg: there is no file AppData.

''@ Onno Ekker [[#answer-992593]]'' See enclosed Thunderbird 2.jpg: the two options are disabled. After closing Thunderbird and starting the app again, both are back. See enclosed Thunderbird profile.jpg: there is no file AppData.
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Onno Ekker 114 Lösungen 428 Antworten
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Ah, I don't use the app menu (hamburger menu) that much, so I was looking in the menu in the main toolbar. I don't understand the remark about AppData, is that a reference in the link I posted? You can create a folder chrome in your user profile and in it the file userChrome.css (capitalized that way). In order to also remove the quickfilterbar menuitem from the app menu, you should also hide id appmenu_quickFilterBar:

#appmenu_quickFilterBar,
#quick-filter-bar, 
#qfb-show-filter-bar, 
#view_toolbars_popup_quickFilterBar {
    display: none;
}
Ah, I don't use the app menu (hamburger menu) that much, so I was looking in the menu in the main toolbar. I don't understand the remark about AppData, is that a reference in the link I posted? You can create a folder chrome in your user profile and in it the file userChrome.css (capitalized that way). In order to also remove the quickfilterbar menuitem from the app menu, you should also hide id appmenu_quickFilterBar: #appmenu_quickFilterBar, #quick-filter-bar, #qfb-show-filter-bar, #view_toolbars_popup_quickFilterBar { display: none; }
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You wrote "See this article for more information about how to use userChrome.css". That article says how to access AppData in which the file userChrome.css would be. No AppData, no userChrome.css.

You wrote "See this article for more information about how to use userChrome.css". That article says how to access AppData in which the file userChrome.css would be. No AppData, no userChrome.css.
Zenos 2265 Lösungen 12258 Antworten
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It clearly shows C:\Users\Robert\AppData in your 1st image.

The article says "Go to your profile folder. Then go to the chrome folder there" - so I don't understand why you think it's in a folder named AppData.

Create a folder named chrome at the same level as the Mail and ImapMail folders, that is, in your Thunderbird profile folder.

Neither chrome nor userChrome.css exist by default. You have to create them both.

It clearly shows C:\Users\Robert\'''AppData''' in your 1st image. The article says "Go to your profile folder. Then go to the chrome folder there" - so I don't understand why you think it's in a folder named AppData. Create a folder named ''chrome'' at the same level as the ''Mail ''and ''ImapMail ''folders, that is, in your Thunderbird profile folder. Neither ''chrome ''nor ''userChrome.css'' exist by default. You have to create them both.

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Zenos 2265 Lösungen 12258 Antworten
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"After closing Thunderbird and starting the app again, both are back."

Every time?

And does the same happen if you use the traditional menu?

"After closing Thunderbird and starting the app again, both are back." Every time? And does the same happen if you use the traditional menu?
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Yes, every time. Also using the traditional way via the main toolbar.

The article Onno Ekker mentioned says: "Thunderbird menu path Help->Troubleshooting information->click on the "Show Folder" button". As soon as I click Help an update starts downloading. After a while this update starts being installed and an error message appears and Thunderbird is blocked Also see my question <Automatic update of version 45.8.0 results in an error an blocked Thunderbird>. So I tried to reach the Profile folder in another way and thought that the AppData folder was in the Profile folder. I now created a folder chrome. How do I create userChrome.css?

I think that unchecking the settings as I did as shown should do the trick instead of this difficult way of diving deep into the system.

Yes, every time. Also using the traditional way via the main toolbar. The article Onno Ekker mentioned says: "Thunderbird menu path Help->Troubleshooting information->click on the "Show Folder" button". As soon as I click Help an update starts downloading. After a while this update starts being installed and an error message appears and Thunderbird is blocked Also see my question <Automatic update of version 45.8.0 results in an error an blocked Thunderbird>. So I tried to reach the Profile folder in another way and thought that the AppData folder was in the Profile folder. I now created a folder ''chrome''. How do I create ''userChrome.css''? I think that unchecking the settings as I did as shown should do the trick instead of this difficult way of diving deep into the system.
Zenos 2265 Lösungen 12258 Antworten
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You're right, clearing these checkboxes should be all you need to do. But others are unable to replicate what you see happening.

Onno is showing you one way to hide the Quickfilter toolbar for ever.

Have you set CCleaner to never touch your Thunderbird profile? If not, please do so.

You create the userChrome.css file by editing it in a text editor, such as Notepad.

You're right, clearing these checkboxes should be all you need to do. But others are unable to replicate what you see happening. Onno is showing you one way to hide the Quickfilter toolbar for ever. Have you set CCleaner to never touch your Thunderbird profile? If not, please do so. You create the userChrome.css file by editing it in a text editor, such as Notepad.
Tonnes
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The Quick Filter Bar can be enabled and disabled by pressing Ctrl+Shift+K and Esc. It also has a toolbar button that can be added or removed by customizing the toolbar. See the Quick Filter Toolbar article.

Apparently its status is not restored properly for you, although it should by default, i.e. the bar should still be gone after restarting Thunderbird when disabled. The same applies to the Message Pane’s status (F8) that should be retained. Given your other issue that could be caused by an outdated add-on something else in your profile, I would try to fix the original cause rather than applying css file tricks, since things like these can happen as a result.

For easy testing, you could create a new profile to see how TB "should behave", and possibly copy things over to that profile if the original one is hard to fix.

The Quick Filter Bar can be enabled and disabled by pressing Ctrl+Shift+K and Esc. It also has a toolbar button that can be added or removed by customizing the toolbar. See the [[Quick Filter Toolbar]] article. Apparently its status is not restored properly for you, although it should by default, i.e. the bar should still be gone after restarting Thunderbird when disabled. The same applies to the Message Pane’s status (F8) that should be retained. Given your other issue that could be caused by an outdated add-on something else in your profile, I would try to fix the original cause rather than applying css file tricks, since things like these can happen as a result. For easy testing, you could create a new profile to see how TB "should behave", and possibly copy things over to that profile if the original one is hard to fix.
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@Tonnes The automatic update to 52.2.1 still causes Thunderbird to be blocked. I re-install 45.8.0 every time this happens. Then I also have to re-install Lightning 4.7.8 again, because 5.4 which was installed with the update is not compatible with Thunderbird 45.8.0. How can I solve this situation and will be able to work with the newest releases? I'm not in favour of css tricks. How can I create a new profile?

@Tonnes The automatic update to 52.2.1 still causes Thunderbird to be blocked. I re-install 45.8.0 every time this happens. Then I also have to re-install Lightning 4.7.8 again, because 5.4 which was installed with the update is not compatible with Thunderbird 45.8.0. How can I solve this situation and will be able to work with the newest releases? I'm not in favour of css tricks. How can I create a new profile?
Tonnes
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Thought it would make more sense to keep your other question for the "blocked Thunderbird" / new releases issue, both seem to be related. Please see the Profiles - Where Thunderbird stores your messages and other user data article for info about profiles.

Thought it would make more sense to keep your [/questions/1169870 other question] for the "blocked Thunderbird" / new releases issue, both seem to be related. Please see the [[Profiles - Where Thunderbird stores your messages and other user data]] article for info about profiles.
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I changed some settings in Thunderbird and CCleaner and one or more of these solved the problem. Thanks to all!

I changed some settings in Thunderbird and CCleaner and one or more of these solved the problem. Thanks to all!