Recent answers to Upgrade to 45.0 failed - after trying to delete search history - now restoredhttps://support.mozilla.org/ar/questions/11138962016-03-30T09:17:44-07:00Hi john99,
I do not know if this feedback helps, Please lmk if it does not and I will not send any m2016-03-30T09:17:44-07:00jendrewhttps://support.mozilla.org/ar/questions/1113896?page=2#answer-861590<p>Hi john99,
</p><p>I do not know if this feedback helps, Please lmk if it does not and I will not send any more.
</p><p>Since my last reply, what i have learnt by testing each day, tweaks, is the following
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<ul><li> The performance of Fx45 is considerably different, for <strong>when I bootup Fx manually </strong>(like 10min after yosemite osx has bootedup), versus if I have Fx to automatically load on bootup (either as a startup item, or on a restart with the osx option, open windows backopen checked). Major difference. What I observe it is not ram being consumed. It is more than 1.2gb available in all 3 scenarios. So it is like something is consuming osx and fx gets to be at bottom of rank so it struggles. It is like 3hrs or so before Fx comes good if boot up this way. In this time there is no funny messages in my console. there is the usual ones. always vpn ones. osx yosemite and vpn not play nice. I have to use citrix anyconnect all the time. And always countless messages in osx console for google update. not sure why.. but countless...
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<p>so would be great to be able to see what fx is doing.. as its not being logged in osx console that i can see. maybe it is some where else. please lmk if i should be looking somewhere else.
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<ul><li> significant difference in boot up time e.g. 1min to 15min (even if boot manual) depending on which tabs I have pinned, and so start up with. I use session manager addon and have the setting start up with last browser. For first week I had it set on 3 tabs I always used. So i started testing speed based on tabs. Now I know the culprit, I have returned session manager to may preferred option, start up with last browser.
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<p>The culprit is Goodreads. But i have some greasemonkey scripts on GR. So I think it must be these scripts.
</p><p>The interesting thing. Is if I allow Fx to bootup (e.g. 1min max), THEN I open the GR tab (with the GR monkey scirpts activated), it opens immediately.
</p><p>but, if I have the GR tab to open on startup, causes fx, at least 15min, maybe 20min... to work out what it has to do... something funny there.
</p><p>I hope this helps.
</p>Good, and thanks for the feeback on the addons.
Yes I did notice recent mixed reviews on the Favico2016-03-18T20:04:45-07:00John99https://support.mozilla.org/ar/questions/1113896?page=2#answer-857761<p>Good, and thanks for the feeback on the addons.
</p><p>Yes I did notice recent mixed reviews on the Favicon Reloader, although that has been more popular than Favicon Images.
</p><p>Many Addons are just made by someone as a part time project, and are not supported for ever.
</p>The second addon posted, brilliant. Thankyou john99
this one
You may also be interested in Bookmark2016-03-18T12:03:42-07:00jendrewhttps://support.mozilla.org/ar/questions/1113896?page=2#answer-857699<p>The second addon posted, brilliant. Thankyou john99
this one
You may also be interested in Bookmarks Favicon Images 1.0.5 <a href="https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/bookmarks-favicon-images/" rel="nofollow">https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/bookmarks-favicon-images/</a>
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The other one - bad experience has been had.
</p>The favicons should come back once you visit the website concerned. There is an addon that should 2016-03-18T09:11:17-07:00John99https://support.mozilla.org/ar/questions/1113896?page=2#answer-857622<p>The favicons should come back once you visit the website concerned. There is an addon that should help with this
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<ul><li> FavIcon Reloader 0.8.1-signed <a href="https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/faviconreloader/" rel="nofollow">https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/faviconreloader/</a>
</li><li> You may also be interested in <em> Bookmarks Favicon Images 1.0.5 </em> <a href="https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/bookmarks-favicon-images/" rel="nofollow">https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/bookmarks-favicon-images/</a>
</li></ul>Hi: Some of the favicons have not come back, after I have clicked on the icon on my Bookmark Toolbar2016-03-18T08:42:06-07:00jendrewhttps://support.mozilla.org/ar/questions/1113896?page=2#answer-857606<p>Hi: Some of the favicons have not come back, after I have clicked on the icon on my Bookmark Toolbar. I have gone to the website. Is there a way to force it? other than deleting the icon off the Bookmark Toolbar and then putting it back by dragging and dropping from the tab?
</p><p>Thankyou
</p>You are welcome.
Sounds better than I thought from your original reply.
Glad to have helped and that2016-03-16T06:48:06-07:00John99https://support.mozilla.org/ar/questions/1113896?page=2#answer-856681<p>You are welcome.
</p><p>Sounds better than I thought from your original reply.
Glad to have helped and that things are improving.
</p>Many thanks john99 for your thoughtful reply
1) The great news is performance of fx is noticeably im2016-03-15T11:37:02-07:00jendrewhttps://support.mozilla.org/ar/questions/1113896?page=2#answer-856353<p>Many thanks john99 for your thoughtful reply
</p><p>1) The great news is performance of fx is noticeably improved. I can do my work without the anx again. I have the activity monitor (10.10 yosemite) up so when I see Fx geetting above 1GB, I try and close it down. Then boot it back up after I come from a drink hot water. Booting up and Booting down in Fx is no longer painful. Yah! So taking less than a minute rather than 3-10minutes i would often had to wait.
</p><p>2) I kept as is rather than restore, as once the pain felt, I feel its better to move forward. It will likely take 6 months to restore all my icons, so speed is just a bit slower. But workable.
</p><p>3) I did as you ask, set the preferences to save history (browse and dl). (so all clear history automatically is OFF) .I have not yet tested manual delete. I need a few weeks breather just in case bad happens again.
</p><p>The other changes to a new places.sqlite, I implemented (so may contribute) to the performance
1) Turned off fx to boot on on my mac book startup. So now I manually boot it up and boot it down. As you ask to ensure HD has had time it needs.
2) Migrated to CTR addon-bar from The Addon Bar (Restored)&nbsp;:: Add-ons for Firefox
<a href="https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefo" rel="nofollow">https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefo</a> ... ar/?src=ss
3) Migrated from adblock plus to uBlock Origin addon (amazing difference noticed on performance when using uBlock Origin as many of my websites show heaps of book covers )
4) Turned off activated shockwave flash and forced it to ask. Sadly my main ebook catalog uses shockwave so still need it.
</p><p>I had had to restore once since my prior reply as fx would not open. I installed TabMixPlus addon, nasty thing, again caused fx not to open. I installed it. rebooted no problem. Then when to check the preference setting that had remained but sadly the feature no longer working since v45 (double click on tab bar to create new tab). Then toggled this preference. Then booted down and fx.. would not come back up. (note: the history settings were already corrected). So I restored from backup. I did this twice to replicate the issues. Developer sadly was not so helpful.
</p><p>So as a final note, I did trial this addon TMP a while back and had to uninstall due to performance hit. made fx so sluggish. and even though I uninstalled, since then I have never felt I had my nice fx back. So there is some conflict it appears.
</p><p>I am very pleased I finally have a workable Fx after so many months of slowness. Thankyou for your help, and more so for the tone, simplicity and thoroughness of how you explained what needed to be done. It made it possible for me to understand.
</p><p>Cheers.
</p>Sorry that obviously did not go too well.
The core issue here is apparently setting Firefox to clear2016-03-12T19:15:13-08:00John99https://support.mozilla.org/ar/questions/1113896?page=2#answer-855296<p>Sorry that obviously did not go too well.
</p><p>The core issue here is apparently setting Firefox to clear history when it closes.
Firefox messes up the closedown process corrupting the places files. It then probably has further problems trying to start after the close down issues.
</p><p>A tip whilst you are clearing these issues up. Leave Firefox at least 10 minutes to closedown, before you shutdown the computer, allow even longer if there is disk activity associated with Firefox. If Firefox is in a protracted hang it should try to generate a crash report. That may give us information about what is happening, and may help developers.
</p><p>You could also ensure you have telemetry turned on. That will not in any way help you directly, but the data helps developers spot such issues.
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<ul><li> <a href="/en-US/kb/share-data-mozilla-help-improve-firefox" rel="nofollow">Share data with Mozilla to help improve Firefox</a>
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<p>There is also the related Health Report (FHR) but that's never really been fully developed
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<ul><li><a href="/en-US/kb/firefox-health-report-understand-your-browser-perf" rel="nofollow">Firefox Health Report - understand your browser performance</a>
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<p>FHR does at least give you some information to look at even if you choose not to share that information with Mozilla.
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<p>Bookmark icons the favicon should come back as soon as you visit a site again. There is as you are aware an addon that should help with that.
</p><p>You also have the option of putting back the original places file. With the original if you then and clear History manually and set Firefox not to clear it automatically the places.sqlite may repair itself, or repair with places maintenance after a couple of closedown cycles. It is the automatic clearing on closedown that is probably triggering the mess up of the database.
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<p>For now until these issues are sorted out it is probably best to clear History and cookies &amp; History manually before closing down Firefox.
</p><p>That may well sort out issues with the large places files, and the closedown/startup issues may well then also go away. With luck depending on exactly what problem you run in to Firefox 45 may be much better than earlier versions as some of the bugs seem to have been resolved. Another alternative to consider is using Private Browsing.
</p>Thanks corel that is the addon i tried before and found unhelpful e.g. consumed all this resource, t2016-03-12T11:12:01-08:00jendrewhttps://support.mozilla.org/ar/questions/1113896?page=2#answer-855220<p>Thanks corel that is the addon i tried before and found unhelpful e.g. consumed all this resource, took ages, and filled in about only 200 of the icons.
</p>You can reload favicons with the FavIcon Reloader extension.
You can find "Reload Favorites Icons" i2016-03-12T10:59:25-08:00cor-elhttps://support.mozilla.org/ar/questions/1113896?page=2#answer-855218<p>You can reload favicons with the FavIcon Reloader extension.
</p><p>You can find "Reload Favorites Icons" in the Bookmarks menu.
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<ul><li> FavIcon Reloader: <a href="https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/faviconreloader/" rel="nofollow">https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/faviconreloader/</a>
</li></ul>Ok. I did as requested.
Result:
Received 2 "Warning: Unresponsive Script" messages during bootup,2016-03-12T09:42:12-08:00jendrewhttps://support.mozilla.org/ar/questions/1113896#answer-855185<p>Ok. I did as requested.
</p><p>Result:
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<ul><li> Received 2 "Warning: Unresponsive Script" messages during bootup, clicked continued, and script continued. See screenshots for 2 messages
</li><li> Size of places.sqlite is much smaller 104.8mb now 31.4mb.
</li><li> Lost ALL icons of bookmarks. Which is a biggy for me as i use the roomy toolbar and only show icons. Using the addon for icons to be fetched is useless. I have tried that once before when an upgrade in fx lost all my bookmark icons. (note: I dont use bookmark tags or keywords). Solved by manually clicking on each of the bookmarks and the icon was grabbed again. That took about 2hrs.
</li><li> Crashed again, after I set new preference setting for Clear History on bootdown (Browser and Downlod history only checked) see screenshot. But Fx, did come after, after I choose restart from the crash report. (Before nothing worked, i had to full restore from profile backup)
</li><li> Since crash above, those 2 extra files are in the profile directory. Do i delete these? places.sqlite-wal and places.sqlite-shm
</li><li> Rebooted to test if Fx crashed again due to that preferences setting. No. Fx loaded successfully.
</li><li> Lost of elements unexpected -Appears cookies gone too? as Fx support asked me to login again. mm.. Also I just went to amazon and typically my username/passcode is there, they are not there. Something odd. I have tested this twice now by checking the setting, rebootting and doing some more work. Then seeing if the setting changed. I think this preference setting must of been reset when it crashed. As it has not occurred a 2nd time. So its <em><strong>watchout</strong></em>
</li><li> Failed to restore bookmarks from last backup json file. I tried to do this, hoping to get my icons back. Took a long time, then Fx, said "Unable to process backup file"
</li></ul>Just making some notes at the moment.
As I said earlier I was aware there are some known issues. I a2016-03-12T08:33:57-08:00John99https://support.mozilla.org/ar/questions/1113896#answer-855151<p>Just making some notes at the moment.
As I said earlier I was aware there are some known issues. I am not sure there will be any quick fix for all of this lot.
</p><p>By all means read or follow bugs, but unless you are directly answering requests for information you probably should not post in bug unless it is one you have filed yourself.
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<ul><li> <a href="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/page.cgi?id=etiquette.html" rel="nofollow">etiquette</a>
</li><li> Fixed in Fx45, and with some background on clear History issue <br> <a href="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1248489" rel="nofollow">Bug 1248489 - crash in mozalloc_abort | NS_DebugBreak | nsDebugImpl::Abort (with abort message chrome://browser/content/sanitize.js) and Firefox no longer responding on startup</a>
</li><li> Currently open <a href="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1248837" rel="nofollow">Bug 1248837 - shutdownhang in nsThread::Shutdown() | Firefox crashes, sometimes the restart fails </a> <br> &amp; <a href="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=1248837&amp;hide_resolved=0" rel="nofollow">dependencies</a>
</li><li> <strong><a href="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=871908" rel="nofollow">Bug 871908 - Clearing "browsing and download" history does excessive disc IO (due to huge wal file)</a> </strong> &amp; <a href="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showdependencygraph.cgi?id=871908" rel="nofollow">dependencies</a>
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<p>P.S.
A definitely outdated diagram of the database <img src="http://people.mozilla.org/~dietrich/places-erd.png" width="500p">
</p>cool. understand. Many thanks for your big help john99.
2016-03-12T07:54:17-08:00jendrewhttps://support.mozilla.org/ar/questions/1113896#answer-855138<p>cool. understand. Many thanks for your big help john99.
</p>Before I do as requested, rename places.sqlite and have Fx automatically recrecreating the places.sq2016-03-12T07:39:47-08:00John99https://support.mozilla.org/ar/questions/1113896#answer-855136<blockquote>Before I do as requested, rename places.sqlite and have Fx automatically recrecreating the places.sqlite, I do need to understand about the other things I loose.</blockquote>
<p>places.sqlite is only history and bookmarks
If you do remove it or rename it at the same time remove or rename any places.sqlite-shm places.sqlite-wal &amp; places.sqlite.corrupt
</p><p>The bookmarks include tags, did include keywords.
If you save the original file or rename it you don't really loose anything anyway.
I would not try hacking the database, it may be about 13 tables from what I remember, and have no idea whether it includes any cross validation or check sums.
</p><p>If you rename, delete or move any of the files that must be while Firefox is closed.
</p>I was trying to set the preference clear history of boot down and that caused the hang. my history s2016-03-12T07:24:32-08:00jendrewhttps://support.mozilla.org/ar/questions/1113896#answer-855125<p>I was trying to set the preference clear history of boot down and that caused the hang. my history setting had always been to save. Never ever thought of it until now.
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<p>cookies use to be set to prompt me, and id essentially select allow for session. Now about 4 days or maybe 6 days ago, I changed it to stop prompting me and clear on close.
</p><p>I do believe the corruption occurred a while back as i have been having performance issues with Fx for a while. hence why i put off upgrade to v45 until today. I was on v41.
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<p>Before I do as requested, rename places.sqlite and have Fx automatically recrecreating the places.sqlite, I do need to understand about the other things I loose.
</p><p>from above:
That means we new places.sqlite
1&gt;bookmarks are essentially retained
and we do not have
2&gt;site preferences
3&gt;cookies, active logins,
4&gt;cache ( clear this using the addone cache status regularly. is this that cache or some other cache?)
4&gt;Browse and Download history (which i am trying to delete)
5&gt;Search and Form history (its ok i can do without this)
</p><p>so 2) 3) is not desired but rest seems ok.
</p>With Firefox closed rename places.sqlite to something like say places.sqlite_001 Firefox will then 2016-03-12T07:09:13-08:00John99https://support.mozilla.org/ar/questions/1113896#answer-855123<p>With Firefox closed rename places.sqlite to something like say places.sqlite_001 Firefox will then recreate it. you will lose the last few bookmarks (Unless you preserve them all by doing a backup from the library). You will lose all your History.
</p><p>As long as the places.sqlite file is renamed or moved somewhere else you stand a chance of getting the History back.
</p><p>Export the bookmarks as HTML, those may come in handy trying to recover bookmarks later.
</p><p>There is or was a recent bug that causes this issue or a similar one I will look that up and get back later.
</p><p>Just a thought; and I can not remember whether it is involved with this sort of issue, but do you set Firefox to clear History of or Cookies&nbsp;? (or effectively use permanent private browsing&nbsp;? ) because there have been recent issues with that too.
</p>Can i delete these records in moz_places table through the backend (e.g. at the database level) usin2016-03-12T06:52:39-08:00jendrewhttps://support.mozilla.org/ar/questions/1113896#answer-855120<p>Can i delete these records in moz_places table through the backend (e.g. at the database level) using sqlitebrowser app? or is it better to go with original thought, rename existing places.sqlite and let fx recreate?.
</p><p>I have the sqlitebrowser app installed. I believe I can open the database, places.sqlite successfuly with it. I understand databases.
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<p>I <strong>only </strong>ask this as i have tried 2 ways to delete the browse and download history thru the front end (e.g. User Interface) . But in both cases, fx became broken. first case, hung, so had to force reboot. Second was a preference setting change to clear on close, and it crashed and would not to reopen on reboot.
</p>cool.
so with your help, it appears the problem could now be described as a too big moz_places table2016-03-12T06:50:14-08:00jendrewhttps://support.mozilla.org/ar/questions/1113896#answer-855119<p>cool.
</p><p>so with your help, it appears the problem could now be described as a <strong>too big <em>moz_places</em> table</strong> within the places.sqlite database.
</p><pre>moz_places has 110009 records
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<p>History can store a maximum of 100664 <strong>unique </strong>pages aka, meaning per<strong> table </strong>in the database.
</p><p>Correct?
</p>I ran it again, and could not find any option for short text log file.
The details in your #answer-82016-03-12T06:44:59-08:00John99https://support.mozilla.org/ar/questions/1113896#answer-855117<blockquote>I ran it again, and could not find any option for short text log file.</blockquote>
<p>The details in your <a href="#answer-855089" rel="nofollow">#answer-855089</a> were what I was thinking about. it show you are in no danger of running short on space for bookmarks.
</p><p>Note the internal backups shown from the bookmarks manager will show the date, number and size of file. Just remember if you try them out they will overwrite whatever you currently have.
</p>I checked the Fx profile directory since the 2nd time restore, to see if we have the 2 places.sqlite2016-03-12T06:44:02-08:00jendrewhttps://support.mozilla.org/ar/questions/1113896#answer-855116<p>I checked the Fx profile directory since the 2nd time restore, to see if we have the 2 places.sqlite files or 4 have come back. I wanted to check as i have rebooted a few times to test.
</p><p>4 are there now. But good news the Fx profile is still about the same size.
When fx struggles to reboot it bloats out the 2new sqlite files and so my profile jumps from about 878mb to 2gb.
</p><p>see screenshot
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standard 2 always there
places.sqlite, 104.8mb 24/52015
<strong>places.sqlite.corrupt, 83mb 24/5/2015
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</p><p>2 new ones, since rebooting a few times
places.sqlite-shm
places.sqlite-wal
</p><p>Not sure when this one appeared, places.sqlite.corrupt. Looks like it was in my old Fx profile before i freshly created this one on new yosemite image, new fx etc.. on 24/5/2015.
</p><p><strong>Can I delete places.sqlite.corrupt this one?
</strong>
(<strong>its 83mb being backed up every 3 days.)</strong>
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